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Barolt wrote: View PostI will say though, I think this is more DeMar's team than Lowry's. DeMar has the higher usage, higher minutes, and is the guy we go to more in the crunch.
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Wild-ling#1 wrote: View PostYeah - like Anthony Davis should shoulder a large chunk of the blame for the Pelicans' fortunes. And like LeBron can't be that good because he's never won it all in Cleveland - and needs a host of other All Stars to get it done.
This is not "value added" analyis. Though I shrink from saying what it actually is, sir.
That excuses blame from him..
But you wanna know something?
So Alvin Gentry made it clear to the Pelicans forward during Saturday’s game at Dallas that he needed to do more.
“(Davis) was coasting a little bit,” Gentry told reporters after the game. “We really discussed playing a little bit harder during one of the timeouts. I thought he got upset and that triggered him, so I told him I’m going to yell at him every game now, if he can get going like that.”
so there is easily a top 5 player in the nba getting called out for personal/team performance.
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Jangles wrote: View PostA big part of why Demar wants to stay in Toronto likely revolves around Kyle. If we are shipping off Lowry, we fall back in the eastern conference significantly. Does Demar still want to stay in Toronto?
I don't get the idea that moving on from any particular player suddenly spells doom & gloom, as if MU isn't capable of effectively replacing that player with all the assets at his disposal.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostIf Lowry gets traded for an equal player at another position (PF), or is used to help move up in the draft (either Toronto's pick of the NY/Den pick), who's to say the Raps have to take a step back? They'd still have Joseph and Wright at the PG spot, with rights to Nando de Colo, as well as the possibility of drafting Murray (or another PG).
I don't get the idea that moving on from any particular player suddenly spells doom & gloom, as if MU isn't capable of effectively replacing that player with all the assets at his disposal.
we wouldnt fall any less than If we moved Demar in the same capacity.
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Something is off with Davis this year, and it's not just his production. Of all the things you can criticize DeMar for, effort and good intentions have never been on the list. That's the question mark with Davis right now. He might be getting tired of the situation in NO."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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S.R. wrote: View PostSomething is off with Davis this year, and it's not just his production. Of all the things you can criticize DeMar for, effort and good intentions have never been on the list. That's the question mark with Davis right now. He might be getting tired of the situation in NO.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostIf Lowry gets traded for an equal player at another position (PF), or is used to help move up in the draft (either Toronto's pick of the NY/Den pick), who's to say the Raps have to take a step back? They'd still have Joseph and Wright at the PG spot, with rights to Nando de Colo, as well as the possibility of drafting Murray (or another PG).
I don't get the idea that moving on from any particular player suddenly spells doom & gloom, as if MU isn't capable of effectively replacing that player with all the assets at his disposal.
I've said for a couple years now and I still believe it fully - if the Raptors move Lowry, they WILL be immediately worse, and any such move must be made with the intention of getting worse in the short term and hoping to collect assets that will make us better in the long term.
But even if we put that aside, trading Lowry for a draft pick or a lesser player (or even a couple lesser players - there's almost no way you actually upgrade in terms of talent in a Lowry trade) sends a bad signal to a guy like DeMar - even if in theory the team might get better, it is doubtful DeMar or his agent will see it that way. It is the one thing I could see causing DeMar to actually skip town even if there was a competitive offer from MU.
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DanH wrote: View PostHere's the problem - it is REALLY hard to find players, at any position, who are as good as Lowry who would be available (even if moving Lowry, who has only one year left on his deal after this one).
I've said for a couple years now and I still believe it fully - if the Raptors move Lowry, they WILL be immediately worse, and any such move must be made with the intention of getting worse in the short term and hoping to collect assets that will make us better in the long term.
But even if we put that aside, trading Lowry for a draft pick or a lesser player (or even a couple lesser players - there's almost no way you actually upgrade in terms of talent in a Lowry trade) sends a bad signal to a guy like DeMar - even if in theory the team might get better, it is doubtful DeMar or his agent will see it that way. It is the one thing I could see causing DeMar to actually skip town even if there was a competitive offer from MU.twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle
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DanH wrote: View PostHere's the problem - it is REALLY hard to find players, at any position, who are as good as Lowry who would be available (even if moving Lowry, who has only one year left on his deal after this one).
I've said for a couple years now and I still believe it fully - if the Raptors move Lowry, they WILL be immediately worse, and any such move must be made with the intention of getting worse in the short term and hoping to collect assets that will make us better in the long term.
But even if we put that aside, trading Lowry for a draft pick or a lesser player (or even a couple lesser players - there's almost no way you actually upgrade in terms of talent in a Lowry trade) sends a bad signal to a guy like DeMar - even if in theory the team might get better, it is doubtful DeMar or his agent will see it that way. It is the one thing I could see causing DeMar to actually skip town even if there was a competitive offer from MU.
I have read the reports that DeRozan requested a trade a couple years back, had the Lowry trade gone through with NY. I think the situations are completely different between that Raptors team and the current one. That team was clearly making such a move to tank and rebuild. This team would be looking to retool, as they move on from a player who is a few years older and much more banged up, on the cusp of demanding a huge salary increase. This team also has Joseph, Wright and possibly Murray (or another highly touted PG draft pick) ready to step in, whereas the Raptors had no such replacements a few years back. This team has many solid young prospects, draft picks and cap space at its disposal, while that team a few years back had only a tank to rely on.
I also assume a new coach would be brought it, which would also breath fresh life into the team and hopefully make it much more effective on the court, while getting more out of a couple key players (ie: JV, along with Carroll, Ross and Patterson to a lesser extent).
As long as MU were to talk to DeRozan and explain his strategy, I really don't think it would be a big deal. Again, it would come down to effective asset management for the long-term, just like re-signing DeRozan to whatever he wants is likely going to be (it makes me a little sick to write that).
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Barolt wrote: View PostStill, the question of accountability has always been one of Casey's issues. DeMar/Kyle can take possessions off/have awful offensive possessions and know they'll never be held accountable for it with Casey as the coach.
I read someone here recently saying that a head coach's primary job is X's and O's. I disagree. Coaching staffs have offensive and defensive coordinators to carry the bulk of that load. The head coach's primary job is managing 15 different player personalities, and 6 assistant coach personalities. You cannot deal with every player the same way, but it's foolish to ignore the overall style of the organization when evaluating how "accountability" is managed. Just as MU keeps things very close to the vest, so does Casey, so don't state as fact that he doesn't hold players accountable because you don't see public displays of it. Tell me, has Kyle become a much better player since coached by Casey? Has DeMar become a much better player since coached by Casey? But it's constantly stated as fact here that he doesn't hold them accountable. Something doesn't fit.
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S.R. wrote: View PostSomething is off with Davis this year, and it's not just his production. Of all the things you can criticize DeMar for, effort and good intentions have never been on the list. That's the question mark with Davis right now. He might be getting tired of the situation in NO.
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DanH wrote: View PostIs anyone saying that they will offer DD the max no matter how he plays from here on out?
I think everyone is saying they would offer DD the max (or somewhere around there) IF he maintains his current play through the entire season AND into the playoffs.
So are people putting caveats on Demar's a done deal based on what happens in the playoffs? If he plays great and we get swept, what next? If he plays mediocre and we reach the second round (or more), what next?
I don't believe our team's playoff success will dictate the offer from Brooklyn or LA, but it might give us cause for concern.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostI think Demar gets a max offer from another team regardless of how the rest of the season plays out. Teams will see the way he is currently playing and convince themselves that they can put him in the position to replicate it over a longer period.
So are people putting caveats on Demar's a done deal based on what happens in the playoffs? If he plays great and we get swept, what next? If he plays mediocre and we reach the second round (or more), what next?
I don't believe our team's playoff success will dictate the offer from Brooklyn or LA, but it might give us cause for concern.
Seems really straightforward to me.
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