Everything Derozan

[DogeLover1234]

If keeping DeMar is just about "perception and culture" it would be really stupid for us to re-sign him. There are more reasons than just that.

Also there are a lot of smart basketball people that don't think it is smart to sign DD to the max, thus not hurting perception.

[slaw]

And maintaining our level? Obviously we're not a lottery team without DeMar, but we are very likely worse.

Nah, you just need to change your offense, have a bunch of guys to step up their usage, while they play better defense at the same time, have Powell emerge as starter in the NBA, and get another good player to take your money at the PF spot or somewhere else and have him produce at a high level, while having no one else fall off their production from this year and keep Lowry healthy as your only go to option down the stretch late in shot clocks.

It's dead simple. Just a few tweaks and, bam, playoff team. Don't worry about all the unforeseen consequences and critical assumptions - it's all about "long term thinking" (ahem) to hopefully, if everything works out, get back to the ECF eventually. But, man, even if not, it will be prettier basketball and other guys will get more shots. And, as we all know, that's what the NBA is all about: playing aesthetically pleasing basketball and getting the players we like more shots.

[Barolt]

Nah, you just need to change your offense, have a bunch of guys to step up their usage, while they play better defense at the same time, have Powell emerge as starter in the NBA, and get another good player to take your money at the PF spot or somewhere else and have him produce at a high level, while having no one else fall off their production from this year and keep Lowry healthy as your only go to option down the stretch late in shot clocks.

It's dead simple. Just a few tweaks and, bam, playoff team. Don't worry about all the unforeseen consequences and critical assumptions - it's all about "long term thinking" (ahem) to hopefully, if everything works out, get back to the ECF eventually. But, man, even if not, it will be prettier basketball and other guys will get more shots. And, as we all know, that's what the NBA is all about: playing aesthetically pleasing basketball and getting the players we like more shots.

You're absolutely right. Total coincidence that the two teams in the Finals got there by taking a significant number of their shots as three pointers and hitting them, while the two teams who lost in the Conference Finals relied more on 2pt shots.

Completely random set of data, not at all linked to success. We should continue depending on our guards hitting 2s, and everything will be fine.

[Chr1s1anL]

Nah, you just need to change your offense, have a bunch of guys to step up their usage, while they play better defense at the same time, have Powell emerge as starter in the NBA, and get another good player to take your money at the PF spot or somewhere else and have him produce at a high level, while having no one else fall off their production from this year and keep Lowry healthy as your only go to option down the stretch late in shot clocks.

It's dead simple. Just a few tweaks and, bam, playoff team. Don't worry about all the unforeseen consequences and critical assumptions - it's all about "long term thinking" (ahem) to hopefully, if everything works out, get back to the ECF eventually. But, man, even if not, it will be prettier basketball and other guys will get more shots. And, as we all know, that's what the NBA is all about: playing aesthetically pleasing basketball and getting the players we like more shots.

This might be one of my favorite post of all time

[Chr1s1anL]

You're absolutely right. Total coincidence that the two teams in the Finals got there by taking a significant number of their shots as three pointers and hitting them, while the two teams who lost in the Conference Finals relied more on 2pt shots.

Completely random set of data, not at all linked to success. We should continue depending on our guards hitting 2s, and everything will be fine.

Yeah, it has nothing to do with those teams having the first and second best player in the league.

[Scraptor]

Every smart fan knows this. Keeping Demar is all about perception and culture. And keeping Kyle happy.

Also because without DeMar this forum would have nothing to argue about.

[Barolt]

Yeah, it has nothing to do with those teams having the first and second best player in the league.

And what's one of the big things that makes those players better?

LeBron has generational playmaking skills, and is great at finding his teammates for wide open shots in situations to succeed, and makes a point of keeping his teammates involved.

Steph is the greatest shooter of all time, and his other guard might be the second best shooter ever.

Part of what makes those guys great has to do with 3pt shooting, too.

[special1]

Everything Demar Derozan

Nah, you just need to change your offense, have a bunch of guys to step up their usage, while they play better defense at the same time, have Powell emerge as starter in the NBA, and get another good player to take your money at the PF spot or somewhere else and have him produce at a high level, while having no one else fall off their production from this year and keep Lowry healthy as your only go to option down the stretch late in shot clocks.

It's dead simple. Just a few tweaks and, bam, playoff team. Don't worry about all the unforeseen consequences and critical assumptions - it's all about "long term thinking" (ahem) to hopefully, if everything works out, get back to the ECF eventually. But, man, even if not, it will be prettier basketball and other guys will get more shots. And, as we all know, that's what the NBA is all about: playing aesthetically pleasing basketball and getting the players we like more shots.

Maybe if we become the Hawks lite we'll have a better chance against the Cavs.

We got to the final 4 with a fairly young team, but let's just change it up so we can get lesser players more shots. That'll work.

Did I get that right?

Run the offense through JV so he can pass it to an open Patterson, Carroll, Ross and Powell......Those guys don't miss open shots right? *face meet palm*


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[Barolt]

Maybe if we become the Hawks lite we'll have a better chance against the Cavs.

We got to the final 4 with a fairly young team, but let's just change it up so we can get lesser players more shots. That'll work.

Did I get that right?

Run the offense through JV so he can pass it to an open Patterson, Carroll, Ross and Powell......Those guys don't miss open shots right? *face meet palm*


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I mean, the devil's advocate argument here is pretty simple:

During the playoffs, Powell had the same true shooting percentage as DeMar. Carroll, Patterson and Ross had better.

So DeMar missed more shots than any of those guys.

[3inthekeon]

You're absolutely right. Total coincidence that the two teams in the Finals got there by taking a significant number of their shots as three pointers and hitting them, while the two teams who lost in the Conference Finals relied more on 2pt shots.

Completely random set of data, not at all linked to success. We should continue depending on our guards hitting 2s, and everything will be fine.

Only 4 players in the entire league made more 3's than Lowry.

[Barolt]

Only 4 players in the entire league made more 3's than Lowry.

But our crunch time lineup is Lowry+Joseph+DeMar. So that's Lowry's 212 made threes, DeMar's 47 made 3s, and CoJo's 30 made 3s.

[special1]

I mean, the devil's advocate argument here is pretty simple:

During the playoffs, Powell had the same true shooting percentage as DeMar. Carroll, Patterson and Ross had better.

So DeMar missed more shots than any of those guys.

Maybe we should pay those guys the max because they're so awesome.

I'm joking.

I'll take your post more seriously when those guys are defended by Paul George and Lebron James and double teamed as soon as they get in the paint.


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[MixxAOR]

I would boo him if he signs with Lakers lol

[S.R.]

The two teams that won the conference finals were #1 and #2 in team three pointers made per game this year (regular season). The two teams that lost were #16 and #17. Obviously not a direct cause/effect, but it is one of the dynamics in play.

[Barolt]

Maybe we should pay those guys the max because they're so awesome.

I'm joking.

I'll take your post more seriously when those guys are defended by Paul George and Lebron James and double teamed as soon as they get in the paint.


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But DeMar DIDN'T HAVE TO have 30% usage when guarded by Paul George. He didn't have to have an assist rate way below his regular season assist rate. He could've become a playmaker. Any time he was guarded by Paul George, he had 4 teammates on the floor not guarded by Paul George. But he was still the one shooting most of the time.

One of my biggest issues with DeMar has always been, and continues to be, the limitations he places on your roster. In order for a DeMar lineup to be successful against a good team, your point guard, small forward, and power forward, have to all be able to hit 3s at a high rate and be good to great defenders, or it doesn't work. That's why JJ lineups with DeMar had problems, that's why Scola lineups with DeMar had problems.