DeMAr should only be taking catch and shoot 3s imo I agree with Axel he shouldnt be going Steph Curry for a 3 point shot. With better 3 pointers on the floor beside him however Gay (Arguably) Novak, Lowry Ross Daye etc shouldn't he be operating more to his strengths?
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Axel wrote: View PostThe answer is much simpler than that, only if he is wide open and his feet are set. No step backs, or pull-ups. Ok if the recipient of good ball movement and the defence is rotating. Otherwise, drives, cut and post-up.
The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.
But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.
One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI agree with you.
The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.
But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.
One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
Demar needs to completely forget about 3 pointers this season. Cut, cut, then cut some more. Once you get the ball, drive. If you have the match-up, post-up. He needs to use his athleticism to his advantage. Out run, out jump, out hustle the other guy on every play.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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Axel wrote: View PostYeah, I know you were responding to the question, but the question is fundamentally wrong. There should never be a quantitative goal with regards to 3PT shooting (or any shooting really) but the goal should be on quality of looks. The only "shot" that you can have a goal for is Free Throws (or more likely, fouls drawn since and1 calls are less FTAs).
Demar needs to completely forget about 3 pointers this season. Cut, cut, then cut some more. Once you get the ball, drive. If you have the match-up, post-up. He needs to use his athleticism to his advantage. Out run, out jump, out hustle the other guy on every play.
Otherwise, I'm also alright with DeRozan. It would be nice if his contract were a bit lower, but then it would be a great deal. It's acceptable as is, and he's a hardworking, young player at the just-below-all-star level. DeMar's not the problem - the lack of top tier all-star/franchise players on the team is the problem. DeMar could very well help a good team win games. We don't need him to be Kobe.Last edited by S.R.; Mon Oct 7, 2013, 01:08 PM."We're playing in a building." -- Kawhi Leonard
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThat expression really bothers me.
Just throwing it out there.
You can be skeptical or have doubts without hating the guy.
As for the top 10 SG in the league, if you are talking about top 10 scoring SG you have a great point. However there are many more facets to the game: defense, rebounding, passing, dribbling, moving without the ball to name a few. When looking at the complete package, I do think it is debatable.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostI hear you. But where is the mass of shooting guards that are superior to DeMar in numerous realms the way that DeMar is strong in multiple offensive categories? Obviously it's not an exact science, but going through multiple statistical rankings it's hard to see more than 10 SGs who are dominant over DeMar using the tools available to the layman.
Wade
Kobe
Harden
Martin
Thompson
Johnson
Manu
JR Smith
Crawford
Igoudala
Evans
Mayo
Butler
Healthy Lou Williams
Healthy Gordon
Maybe Monta
on par with Henderson
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Matt52 wrote: View PostOff top of my head, I would say:
Wade
Kobe
Harden
Martin
Thompson
Johnson
Manu
JR Smith
Crawford
Igoudala
Evans
Mayo
Butler
Healthy Lou Williams
Healthy Gordon
Maybe Monta
on par with Henderson
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Wade
Kobe
Harden
Johnson (Might retract that, since I don't think he has the mobility to defend Derozan).
Thompson (Haven't seen much of him, but he seems to be a 3-D player)
J.R. Smith (Unfortunately, I'll concede)
Iguodala
Mayo (the same level as Derozan, but I'll put him here)
Lou Williams (too short to guard Derozan)
Gordon (when healthy..too short to guard Derozan)
Hayward (maybe..)
Beal (Too short, but he might already be better).
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Matt52 wrote: View PostOff top of my head, I would say:
Wade
Kobe
Harden
Martin
Thompson - ?
Johnson - No, Joe has been on a downturn for a while
Manu - I wish I could agree -- old age... I hope you're right on this one
JR Smith - what statistics are you using to mention JR?
Crawford
Igoudala - is he a sg or sf?
Evans
Mayo - last year he did less than DeMar...
Butler
Healthy Lou Williams
Healthy Gordon -- I don't see it, not for the past few years...
Maybe Monta
on par with Henderson
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI agree with you.
The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.
But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.
One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostMan I hope I'm wrong on Manu.
Thompson = Klay
Johnson = even on the decline I'd give the nod to JJ - might change after this year.
Manu = even old better
JR = points, rebounds, assists, steals, win share, WP48
Igoudala = SG who can play SF, like DD
Mayo = he scored less and more efficient, he didn't do less elsewhere
Lou and Eric = time will tell if time really heals all wounds
On the first go around I forgot Wes Matthews and then there are the young guards such as Beal.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThompson = Klay --- AHHH! Okay, yeah we agree
Johnson = even on the decline I'd give the nod to JJ - might change after this year.
Manu = even old better
JR = points, rebounds, assists, steals, win share, WP48 --- Cool
Igoudala = SG who can play SF, like DD
Mayo = he scored less and more efficient, he didn't do less elsewhere ---it felt like he dropped off as the season moved on
Lou and Eric = time will tell if time really heals all wounds
On the first go around I forgot Wes Matthews and then there are the young guards such as Beal.
Looked up OJ...His last 20 games he had no 20 point games and multiple single point games.
Everything else looks good. Was he injured? Beef with the coach? That anomaly has me leaning towards DeMar.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostDefinitely a Beal guy, but its more potential than what he is now. At present I lean towards DeMar.
Looked up OJ...His last 20 games he had no 20 point games and multiple single point games.
Everything else looks good. Was he injured? Beef with the coach? That anomaly has me leaning towards DeMar.
Mayo did drop. Carlisle called him out on it too. Definitely was a beef there and from Carlisle's end it was his unprofessionalism. Still, based strictly on skill and stats, I give the nod to Mayo. If you are talking about who is a better team guy and worker, then I think you go with DD every time.
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After watching the intra-squad scrimmage, and him shooting in the open gym episodes, his stroke looks almost effortless.. He shoots the 3 without effort, compared to past season where his form would go out of wack.
EDIT: Do you guys know the girl who you can hear counting down: "5, 4, 3, 2, 1!" near the end of shot-clocks? Well, DeMar was making fun of his fiancee because she's the one that counts down.Twitter: @ReubenJRD • NBA, Raptors writer for Daily Hive Vancouver, Toronto.
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Matt52 wrote: View PostI agree with you.
The post to which I responded asked how many not the situation though.
But again I can't emphasize enough how much I agree with you.
One thing that has always pissed me off about DD is his refusal to shoot a 1/2 or deeper shot with just a couple of seconds. He'll hold it and/or dribble until the horn is gone and then launch it. Drives me mad. The only reason I can think of is he is thinking about %s. There is almost no chance it goes in but there IS still a chance.
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Xixak wrote: View PostAlmost every player in the league who plays significant minutes does this nowadays. LeBron, Wade and Durant have even admitted to doing it. It's annoying, but in a more stat-driven league you can see why they would do it.
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