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imanshumpert wrote: View PostYep this website: http://vorped.com/bball/index.php/pl.../2013-2014-REGIf we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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imanshumpert wrote: View Post... It's also easier to get the look from mid-range.
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stooley wrote: View Post1. Nice.
2. Well you mentioned that LA adds more to his team's success because he performs more isos and post ups, whereas Demar generally gets the ball coming off of picks.
To counter that argument, I may have overstated to what extent LA relies on the pick and roll/pop. Nevertheless, Lamarcus Aldridge scores more points than any other player in the league on pick and pops, and is one of the top 5 most frequently used roll men. So I don't think your point holds any water there.
Either way, he's doing a lot more of those two things than Demar is.
BUT, considering that nearly 80% of his production is coming from areas outside of the PnR...to say that the majority of his impact is out of the iso/post (what I originally said) holds no water is pretty narrow.
Really the Blazers do a great job of using him
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostI'm not discounting LA's role in PnR situations, and since Portland runs a ton of them so I'm not surprised that he is a league leader in this category.
BUT, considering that nearly 80% of his production is coming from areas outside of the PnR...to say that the majority of his impact is out of the iso/post (what I originally said) holds no water is pretty narrow.
Really the Blazers do a great job of using him
So let's say he's 40-50% pick and roll/pop.
Demar is guaranteed less than that, considering the stats that imamshumpert posted.
I said your statement that:LA's mid range game draws people out of the paint...DD's packs it (sort of)
LA's mid range is out of ISO's and draws more doubles, also operates out of the post quite a bit...DD's are off of set screens and don't rotate the D as much.Last edited by stooley; Thu Mar 6, 2014, 06:41 PM."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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stooley wrote: View PostWell, he scores 80% of his points outside of the pick and pop. I believe he gets more out of the pick and roll.
So let's say he's 50% pick and roll/pop.
Demar is guaranteed less than that, considering the stats that imamshumpert posted.
I said your statement that:
holds no water.
This means that my statement of him operating mainly out of the post/iso and drawing a different defensive look than DD, who gets his off of mainly pin down screens holds a hell of a lot more water than what you are saying
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View PostNobody is arguing about what his shooting % are. The point is that he should be able to shoot 3's at a much higher %, given the % he is shooting from 0-2' inside the line. I have no idea how to explain why he drops off so much behind the arc, other than perhaps it being a mental thing or lack of practice (in games).
And you don't know what percentage he's shooting from 0-2' inside the line (it's actually probably quite low if anything), nor do you know how many of those shots he takes. What we do know is that he shoots 41.3% from 16-23 feet, the bulk of which come from the 16-20 foot range, which is not 0-2' inside the line. If you don't believe me then look at his shot chart on this page:
http://www.basketball-reference.com/...shooting/2014/
I'm not ripping on him, I'm actually doing the opposite, in that I think with more in-game attempts from behind the arc he should be able to raise that % and gain confidence (hopefully leading to further % increases). As I stated in my original post, he wouldn't even have to match his % to score the same number of points but, if he were able to accomplish that, he'd exceed his scoring on those long shots by 50%.
You're basing your analysis on his current shooting %, so I totally understand how you reached your conclusion. Even as somebody who has criticized DeRozan's shooting efficiency and lack of 3pt shot in the past, I'm actually giving him the benefit of the doubt that he can raise those %.
I'm also not suggesting he stop shooting mid-long 2's or even all long 2's. However, it would benefit him and the team if he could make a minor modification, to turn some of the longest 2's into 3's. For example, at least a few times a game (per my eye test at least), he executes an elbow catch-and-shoot from on the 3pt line or within 1' of it and/or he executes a pull-up shot from a similar position off his own dribble. All he needs to do is position himself a foot deeper and suddenly he puts himself in a position to improve his efficiency further.Last edited by imanshumpert; Thu Mar 6, 2014, 07:38 PM.
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imanshumpert wrote: View PostThis does not happen "a few times per game". But if that's what you see then fine, I'm yet to find a site that shows shot attempts by-the-foot so until then it's just your word vs. mine.
I don't understand how shooting more threes would increase his percentage, but sure.
But I do think if he was shooting more threes, like 5-6 a game, he'd be more comfortable with it and it would help improve his percentage a little too. I think right now he still has a voice in his head telling him to protect his percentages, because if he has more than a split second to take the shot he puts the ball on the floor. When he's forced to shoot it he just goes ahead and does it.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostCurry is not a corner shooter....those are his weakest areas, whereas the corners are the strongest areas for DeMar.
Personally I hate DD's shot chart...so ugly
Look at Ross', that is a nice shot chart with good percentages and high attempts at the three...a dead zone in the long two range with this area being his range of fewest attempts...and then free throw line and in he is gold with higher amount of attempts again. That is what our wings should be striving for.
http://www.bsports.com/statsinsights...e-nba-baselineIf we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostConsidering that he rarely rolls...you are just making up that he is producing 30% of his offense off of rolls...I will give you a total of about 30% between the combined pop/roll, which still leaves 70% out of the ISO/post.
This means that my statement of him operating mainly out of the post/iso and drawing a different defensive look than DD, who gets his off of mainly pin down screens holds a hell of a lot more water than what you are saying
You can make other arguments that DD isn't as effective. But this point is moot."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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OldSKoolCool: reread this post carefully. It is a necessary fact that LA generates more of his points out of pick and rolls than DD.
imanshumpert wrote: View PostAldridge isn't "all" pick and pop, but compared to other players he is. This is a somewhat old article (Feb 5th, 2014), but he scores more from the pick and pop than any other player in the league. Your evaluation of one game isn't adequate.
http://espn.go.com/blog/statsinfo/ta...arcus-aldridge
Also there's this:
It's from SportsVu, saw it on another site. But as you can see Aldridge uses the pick and roll more than any roll/pop man not named Dirk. Additionally, DeRozan is the 2nd most efficient pick and roll ball-handler in terms of PTS/Poss in the league. Found that to be interesting."Bruno?
Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
-Superjudge, 7/23
Hope you're wrong.
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DeRozan doesn't even need to be good at 3's from the non corners, just merely mediocre (30 ish%) and replacing some of those super long twos will make him a more efficient player. He has got better every year, let's hope next season will be the one he makes the step from out there
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