Everything Derozan

[Joey]

No, I read the entire convo and I'm still not sure what I'm missing. Were you implying DeMar takes smarter shots, therefore he has a higher FG%? Then why didn't it show up in TS%? Is this you trying to brainfuck me? Damn you Joey. DAMN YOU.

Nope. Simply that its silly to say Demar "can't shoot". That's it. Literally, that's it.

I never compared them in the first place. I personally think Lillard can be the better player.

Anyway, moving on.

[Mindlessness]

Nope. Simply that its silly to say Demar "can't shoot". That's it. Literally, that's it.

I never compared them in the first place. I personally think Lillard can be the better player.

Anyway, moving on.

OK... Um... Why did you have the entire thing on comparing guards with FG% then?

[Joey]

OK... Um... Why did you have the entire thing on comparing guards with FG% then?

Just go back read again if you really want to know. It's all there.

[consmap]

God I love your eyes consmap .. er.. Tom Sterner, Sir, if I can call you that.

My eyes help me impose my will on people

[Joey]

My eyes help me impose my will on people

Hehehe That made me laugh. Well played.

[raptors999]

Not quite with Bargs, but pretty similar to Gay.

And that's Casey's big problem. He views his #1 guy as an iso scorer pretty much no matter who it is. However, again, it's not all on him because DeMar has clearly bought into this and plays with no conscience. Takes awful shots and fails to make even the easiest passes at times in favour of him getting his own.

In Gay's first half-season here, when we had to re-adjust on the fly, our offence was more team-oriented than pre-trade and the next season when Gay was in training camp. And that in turn was forced to re-adjust after we traded Gay, and we moved the ball more and played a better team game once again.

It's just bad basketball, and there's more than enough blame to go around.

Casey tried to turn Bargs into a SF. He tried to create a low % ISO mid-range scorer out of a center.

[Joey]

Casey tried to turn Bargs into a SF. He tried to create a low % ISO mid-range scorer out of a center.

That's kinda how I remember it. Or at least a super stretch 4. But Bargs is his own conversation. Haha

There was definitely a lot of mid-range shooting, and low % shots being taken.

[consmap]

Casey tried to turn Bargs into a SF. He tried to create a low % ISO mid-range scorer out of a center.

Lol I remember when Casey said something like "we expect him to grab 2 rebounds each quarter". And eventually it got to a point where Casey gave up and just expected him to at least box out his man.

[hotfuzz]

Lol I remember when Casey said something like "we expect him to grab 2 rebounds each quarter". And eventually it got to a point where Casey gave up and just expected him to at least box out his man.

And eventually it got to a point where Casey gave up on him boxing out and just expected him to at least finish his primo pasta.

[white men can't jump]

Casey tried to turn Bargs into a SF. He tried to create a low % ISO mid-range scorer out of a center.

He didn't try to turn Bargs into that. That's how Bargs always played. He never had a centre's games. He always played like a wing, and he always had piss poor big man instincts/skills defensively. Mitchell and Triano also used him much the same way.

[stooley]

Cap is at 63M now. Will jump to between 85-90M then. So almost a 50% increase, meaning his roughly 10M per year projects up close to 15M per year.

Point being, his cap hold will be just over 14M, assuming he is not an all-star next season. So unless he is willing to sign for significantly less than that, the Raptors will not really have any more cap room to work with - more room under the tax, sure, but they will be well clear of that anyway.

Ok 15 mill is fair then. I stand by the idea that he gets paid less than he would otherwise if he plays badly though. That and he becomes less necessary to the team.

Weird to have the cap jumping by so much haha. Gonna have to get used to new numbers.

[Axel]

Personally TS% is better for determining the value of a shooter since it takes the additional value of 3 pointers.

FG% can indicate the quality of someone's shooting ability, within the shots they take. But since it doesn't distinguish between the added value of 3 pointers, I'd say FG% can use be used to evaluated shooting ability, but TS% is better for determining the better player.

[3inthekeon]

Personally TS% is better for determining the value of a shooter since it takes the additional value of 3 pointers.

FG% can indicate the quality of someone's shooting ability, within the shots they take. But since it doesn't distinguish between the added value of 3 pointers, I'd say FG% can use be used to evaluated shooting ability, but TS% is better for determining the better player.

TS% also takes into account Free Throws. so players like DD or Lou get a boost there as well.

[stooley]

TS% also takes into account Free Throws. so players like DD or Lou get a boost there as well.

I think his point was that three pointers may be fifty percent more valuable but they aren't fifty percent harder to make than most of dd's shots

[Axel]

TS% also takes into account Free Throws. so players like DD or Lou get a boost there as well.

Yeah true. Basically it takes into account the value of the output of all shots, vs FG% which just looks at whether the ball goes in or not.