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special1 wrote: View Post*Takes back the mic from JimiCliff*
This is fun!
Ok since you asked Axel....warning... You shoulda kept quiet.
Danny Green shot .344 from the field in this year's playoffs and .300 from 3s through 7 games....yuck!
Ersan Ilyasova shot .328 from the field and .217 from 3s in this year's playoffs this year through 6 games.... Ugh.
Win shares you say? Lol you can keep that advanced stat.
So no, I would rather keep Demar than those guys. They aren't as good as people on here claim (looking at you too Primer) and they aren't even the focus of opposing defences.
I just killed Axel and Primer with one shot. I don't want to go to jail....I'm sorry!
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Axel wrote: View PostI honestly don't know what is more appalling, you're assessment of players or that you actually think you proved anything.
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Chr1s1anL wrote: View PostAre you guys really arguing whose the better player between DD/Green?
DeMar opts out in 2016 and demands 18-20 mil.....or you sign Green and a guy like Ersan combined for less that what DeMar will want. Fills needs and creates more flexibility.Twitter @WJ_FINDLAY
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special1 wrote: View PostTypical Axel response......check the real stats next time bud. Advanced stats should be taken in context. Someone playing 15 mins per game on a losing team is not contributing more wins than someone who plays 36+ mins on a winning team. It's a shame that I have to tell you this.
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Why are we talking about Ersan Ilyasova is the better question? The guy is no more a "PF who can Start" than any of the many we already have.
I could very easily see Danny Green commanding just as much as Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons. I really don't see him taking less than $14M-16M.Last edited by Joey; Wed May 27, 2015, 12:04 PM.
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Joey wrote: View PostWhy are we talking about Ersan Ilyasova is the better question? The guy is no more a "PF who can Start" than any of the many we already have.
I could very easily see Danny Green commanding just as much as Gordon Hayward or Chandler Parsons. I really don't see him taking less than $14M-16M.
Somewhat related though, would you rather Ersan or Amir at $8M moving forward? Factoring in that Ersan is under contract and would cost assets to acquire vs Amir who would resign and only cost cap space?
I don't think anyone really knows what Danny Green will command. Will he get a deal 4 times his current salary? No clue, but since people want to argue that Demar is basically worth 2 of other players, I have to play along.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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special1 wrote: View PostTypical Axel response......check the real stats next time bud. Advanced stats should be taken in context. Someone playing 15 mins per game on a losing team is not contributing more wins than someone who plays 36+ mins on a winning team. It's a shame that I have to tell you this.
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Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% DRB TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
DeMar DeRozan 60 60 35.0 6.8 16.5 .413 0.4 1.5 .284 .426 6.0 7.2 .832 3.9 4.6 3.5 1.2 0.2 2.3 20.1
Danny Green 81 80 28.5 4.0 9.1 .436 2.4 5.6 .418 .566 1.4 1.6 .874 3.6 4.2 2.0 1.2 1.1 1.1 11.7
Ersan Ilyasova 58 36 22.7 4.5 9.6 .472 1.3 3.3 .389 .539 1.2 1.8 .645 3.4 4.8 1.0 0.6 0.3 0.8 11.5
Playoffs Per Game
Player G GS MP FG FGA FG% 3P 3PA 3P% eFG% FT FTA FT% TRB AST STL BLK TOV PTS
DeMar DeRozan 4 4 39.8 8.0 20.0 .400 0.8 2.0 .375 .419 3.5 4.3 .824 6.3 5.8 1.5 0.0 2.5 20.3
Danny Green 7 7 29.1 3.0 8.7 .344 1.7 5.7 .300 .443 0.6 0.9 .667 3.1 2.1 1.0 1.0 0.7 8.3
Ersan Ilyasova 6 6 23.7 3.3 10.2 .328 0.8 3.8 .217 .369 1.2 1.7 .700 3.8 0.5 0.8 0.5 0.8 8.7
Those are the raw stats. Show me who plays 15 mpg? Show me how Demar is better than the combined contributions of these two players?
Here's the advanced stats if you want to actually really compare the players.
Player Season Age G PER TS% 3PAr FTr TRB% AST% STL% BLK% USG% OWS DWS WS WS/48 OBPM DBPM BPM VORP
DeMar DeRozan 2014-15 25 60 17.4 .510 .089 .438 7.6 17.0 1.8 0.4 28.4 2.6 1.4 4.0 .090 -0.2 -1.4 -1.6 0.2
Danny Green 2014-15 27 81 16.5 .596 .619 .172 8.4 10.3 2.2 2.8 17.5 4.0 3.9 7.8 .163 2.8 2.2 5.0 4.1
Ersan Ilyasova 2014-15 27 58 16.8 .554 .341 .192 12.0 7.4 1.4 1.2 22.1 2.3 1.7 4.0 .146 1.2 -1.4 -0.2 0.6
You have nothing to base your argument on. We won ZERO playoff games this year. How do you expect to improve this team by simply repeating the same process?Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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When discussing something like whether its better to have Derozan or two other player who's contributions may be more than what Demar can offer, we have to keep in mind that Dwayne Casey is still the coach... nothing is guaranteed lolYou come at the King, you best not miss.
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To me it's really impossible to predict what I'd be happy with. I would just say that I hope players of similar level to DeRozan are signed first, so that we can gauge the approximate going price, and at that point I would just hope that Masai (if he intends to re-sign DeMar) can somehow get him for less than those other players go for.
It's going to be a very interesting off season in 2016 because of that huge jump. The first couple of signings should dictate how every team approaches their offers.your pal,
ebrian
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