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JimiCliff wrote: View PostIsh. I'm wondering about looking at team offence in a vacuum. If you're spending little energy defensively, which is true of many Raptor players last year, then your offence may look better than it should.
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Heh, if he is in the D-league still in a few years I will be surprised.
He's terrible."
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JWash wrote: View PostLol, good one.
I think you can support DeRozan and still have a great understanding of the game of basketball. When you're getting to the point of calling him a superstar, yeah you don't really have a good grasp of his talent level. But the same is true when you're saying he's no better than Nick Young or Dion Waiters. Not going to post the names of the posters who have these viewpoints, but I'm sure most of you know without me saying.
There's a happy medium that I think most fans lie in where you can support or not support DD but still be very knowledgeable about the game. Those views I mentioned are extremes, and terms like 'District of DeRozan' only serve to try and lump everyone who is for lack of a better term "left of center" on DeRozan into the same category of radicalism. It's the same thing that happens in elections where uneducated people will try to lump all Republicans in as "rednecks" and Democrats as "libtards".
Imo the term itself is pretty much a great way to just send any kind of positive discussion down the drain. If I started referring to everyone who doesn't like DD as a Council Member of the City of Criticism (chaired by mcHAPPY with DanH as the finance minister lol sorry had to), shit would get out of hand really fast.
Truth is, thats (Nick Young) what all his production yields (slightly better)
Talent wise, Waiters is way more talented that DD, he has all the tools
PS: if you think Waiters has less talent than DD, you have absolutely no ability to identify talent, and that is probably why you love inefficient chuckers who 'love the city' or 'work hard'. Waiters is very good with the ball in his hands.
stooley wrote: View Postit happened last year!
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Bonus Jonas wrote: View PostI just read through 20 pages of this shit.
I feel like sending a bill to RR for making me waste a bunch of my timeHeir, Prince of Cambridge
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostMuhahahah
Truth is, thats (Nick Young) what all his production yields (slightly better)
Talent wise, Waiters is way more talented that DD, he has all the tools
PS: if you think Waiters has less talent than DD, you have absolutely no ability to identify talent, and that is probably why you love inefficient chuckers who 'love the city' or 'work hard'. Waiters is very good with the ball in his hands.
Last year Dion Waiters shot 5% worse in TS% than DeMar. He had a 2.8% lower rebounding rate (-5.5% defensively) and a 5.1% lower assist rate. Those are large, objective differences in quality of play.
And that's not even counting the usage argument, which is that DeMar has to carry a heavier burden and thus carries greater attention, which leads to decreased efficiency.
Nick Young had a slightly better TS% due to his superior 3pt%, but he also had a lower rebounding % (-2.3%) and is essentially a black hole chucker with an assist rate 10.1% lower than DeMar. Nick Young's career assist rate is about 10% lower than what DeMar has put up over the last two years, when he took the next step after the Gay trade.
If you want to use ESPN's RPM... DeMar was 30th of 98th shooting guards. Nick Young, if classified as a SG instead of a SF, would have placed 50th. Dion Waiters was 73rd.
Dion Waiters is just terrible. To argue that he's "way more talented" than DD and say that people who like DD "love inefficient chuckers" is so hypocritical and bizarre it really says more about your biases towards DD than anything else.
Look, I get that DeMar is inefficient. I have pointed it out a TON, here and elsewhere. But he's not the absolute team-killer that some of you are painting him to be.
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Scraptor wrote: View PostIt's weird to me that someone who cites advanced stats to pan DeRozan wouldn't hold his comparisons to the same standards, and would instead refer to talent and tools.
Last year Dion Waiters shot 5% worse in TS% than DeMar. He had a 2.8% lower rebounding rate (-5.5% defensively) and a 5.1% lower assist rate. Those are large, objective differences in quality of play.
And that's not even counting the usage argument, which is that DeMar has to carry a heavier burden and thus carries greater attention, which leads to decreased efficiency.
Nick Young had a slightly better TS% due to his superior 3pt%, but he also had a lower rebounding % (-2.3%) and is essentially a black hole chucker with an assist rate 10.1% lower than DeMar. Nick Young's career assist rate is about 10% lower than what DeMar has put up over the last two years, when he took the next step after the Gay trade.
If you want to use ESPN's RPM... DeMar was 30th of 98th shooting guards. Nick Young, if classified as a SG instead of a SF, would have placed 50th. Dion Waiters was 73rd.
Dion Waiters is just terrible. To argue that he's "way more talented" than DD and say that people who like DD "love inefficient chuckers" is so hypocritical and bizarre it really says more about your biases towards DD than anything else.
Look, I get that DeMar is inefficient. I have pointed it out a TON, here and elsewhere. But he's not the absolute team-killer that some of you are painting him to be.
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Atothe wrote: View PostWhy would you respond to a guy who used waiters as a example of a more talented player. Waiters is on his way out of the league and Demar is still a potential all star
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Mindlessness wrote: View PostTechnically, Waiters being on his way out of the league doesn't necessarily mean he's not talented. I would tend to think that Waiters likely had more potential as player, DeMar did not and does not have that much potential. But obviously Waiters hasn't and likely won't reach his potential, whereas DeMar probably will or already has.
Waiters is more talented
But like Micheal Beasley, he has no idea how to operate as a team player so he is finding himself on the outside looking in
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostIn a nutshell
Waiters is more talented
But like Micheal Beasley, he has no idea how to operate as a team player so he is finding himself on the outside looking in
Obviously that hasn't helped him... at all.
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostIn a nutshell
Waiters is more talented
But like Micheal Beasley, he has no idea how to operate as a team player so he is finding himself on the outside looking in
Demar is a more talented scorer, passer, rebounder, dunker......
Also, Scraptor just exposed you.... no response?
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OldSkoolCool wrote: View PostMuhahahah
Truth is, thats (Nick Young) what all his production yields (slightly better)
Talent wise, Waiters is way more talented that DD, he has all the tools
PS: if you think Waiters has less talent than DD, you have absolutely no ability to identify talent, and that is probably why you love inefficient chuckers who 'love the city' or 'work hard'. Waiters is very good with the ball in his hands.
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Deon has far more tools at his disposal than Demar, but then again, so do alot of sgs in this league.
And alot of them would produce to similar level as demar if swapped out 1 for 1 and all other things remaining the same.
For Fun, some number
Amongst all sgs in the league last season playing at least 20 minutes and 20 games(per 36 minutes to make a somewhat fair comparison)
Win Share/48 - 25th
Win Shares - 30th
Offensive Rating - 31st
Defensive Rating - 32nd
TS% - 42nd
Assists - 21st
Rebounds - 17th
FTA - 2nd
PPG - 9th
Value over Replacement PLayer - 34th
Usage - #2
So Demar gets to the line very well. cannot take that away, but for the usage he is given, he gives back, in pretty much ever major statistical category, a terrible return.
http://bkref.com/tiny/L2N2Z
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