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JWash wrote: View PostPart of taking those 3-4 contested shots also has to do with his role. Not saying shot selection is a non-factor, but I feel like if he was the #2 to a legit #1 that wouldn't happen nearly as much.I relish negativity and disappointment. It is not healthy. Somebody buy me a pony.
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JWash wrote: View PostPart of taking those 3-4 contested shots also has to do with his role. Not saying shot selection is a non-factor, but I feel like if he was the #2 to a legit #1 that wouldn't happen nearly as much.Last edited by CalgaryRapsFan; Mon Aug 17, 2015, 01:19 AM.
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post#1 option or not, there is no excuse for taking bad shots, unless the shot clock is winding down. Taking enough shots to be considered a threat is one thing, which I would agree with for a #1 option, but that could easily be accomplished without resorting to taking bad shots. It also leads to bad habits being developed, while the rest of the team is taken out of the flow of the game by their teammate - double whammy.
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raptors999 wrote: View PostThe absolute worst thing is Demar plays exactly the same in a scrimmage game with guys he just met as he does in a system he's been in his whole career
Don't get me wrong, your statement making zero sense has nothing to do with my opinion of Demar. I think he's good. Maybe very good. Not great. If the opportunity to get a great player comes I would shed a single tear just for the visual aesthetic. But man, why is this thread getting into Barg territory in length? One guy tries hard, has a good reputation with his peers, has a unique skill set that, if it was utilized properly could help a team win and the other guy is Bargnani. A guy who shouldn't be in the league and is playing for the minimum, because his only real pay check anywhere else would be in Sacramento and only draft picks and fools want to play for that owner.
I'm not saying stop the hate. But be realistic. There's not a plethora of NBA shooting guards out there. For all his flaws Demar is a top 10 SG. That has more to do with the position than him having any considerable talent. But, Ross will never be as good as Demar. Most of the other young SGs will fail to reach their potential. Demar has surpassed expectations. That deserves respect. Not people talking smack like he's a clown who doesn't train during the off-season and then is confused that he can't keep healthy -- like good ol' Bargs.
This is old. There's nothing new to say. Half the people bagging on Demar are spouting lies, or statements that lack rational thought.
Even Demar's fans accept that if the Raptors can find someone better they should move him. The problem is no one is trading the 9 or so shooting guards ranked above him. Seriously. How can some of you guys call yourselves fans and be so disrespectful to a player from thousands of miles away, who's done nothing but try to put the city on his back? Seriously.
Dude plays way higher than any reasonable person could have expected if you watched his brief time at USC, or his rookie year. He has serious flaws in his game, but slagging him nonsensically will not change the fact that some pimply kid from Compton has done more for this team than any player beside VC, or Lowry has ever done. Hopefully, other players step up and surpass him. Hopefully, the front office steals a future star shooting guard to replace him. But until then, show the man some respect.
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blackjitsu wrote: View PostGuys he just met? He's known a lot of those guys most of his life through AAU, and the LA b-ball scene. That, and last I checked Demar has never been nutmeged during his pro career in a serious game, or taken contested step back threes, or played point guard. But other than those minor things that come from actually watching the game ... he played EXACTLY like he does in a system he's been in for his whole career -- well, except he hasn't been in the same system ever in his career. He's played for 3 coaches, and his current coach has changed the offensive system from flex based to iso and before that the team played primarily pick and roll and he had different roles depending on whoever BCo was selling as the star...
Don't get me wrong, your statement making zero sense has nothing to do with my opinion of Demar. I think he's good. Maybe very good. Not great. If the opportunity to get a great player comes I would shed a single tear just for the visual aesthetic. But man, why is this thread getting into Barg territory in length? One guy tries hard, has a good reputation with his peers, has a unique skill set that, if it was utilized properly could help a team win and the other guy is Bargnani. A guy who shouldn't be in the league and is playing for the minimum, because his only real pay check anywhere else would be in Sacramento and only draft picks and fools want to play for that owner.
I'm not saying stop the hate. But be realistic. There's not a plethora of NBA shooting guards out there. For all his flaws Demar is a top 10 SG. That has more to do with the position than him having any considerable talent. But, Ross will never be as good as Demar. Most of the other young SGs will fail to reach their potential. Demar has surpassed expectations. That deserves respect. Not people talking smack like he's a clown who doesn't train during the off-season and then is confused that he can't keep healthy -- like good ol' Bargs.
This is old. There's nothing new to say. Half the people bagging on Demar are spouting lies, or statements that lack rational thought.
Even Demar's fans accept that if the Raptors can find someone better they should move him. The problem is no one is trading the 9 or so shooting guards ranked above him. Seriously. How can some of you guys call yourselves fans and be so disrespectful to a player from thousands of miles away, who's done nothing but try to put the city on his back? Seriously.
Dude plays way higher than any reasonable person could have expected if you watched his brief time at USC, or his rookie year. He has serious flaws in his game, but slagging him nonsensically will not change the fact that some pimply kid from Compton has done more for this team than any player beside VC, or Lowry has ever done. Hopefully, other players step up and surpass him. Hopefully, the front office steals a future star shooting guard to replace him. But until then, show the man some respect.
NBA players know each other, doesn't mean they can play together. Even the Spurs with LMA are going to have issues early
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CalgaryRapsFan wrote: View Post#1 option or not, there is no excuse for taking bad shots, unless the shot clock is winding down. Taking enough shots to be considered a threat is one thing, which I would agree with for a #1 option, but that could easily be accomplished without resorting to taking bad shots. It also leads to bad habits being developed, while the rest of the team is taken out of the flow of the game by their teammate - double whammy.
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JWash wrote: View PostYeah there actually is.
I'm trying to understand a situation in which there would be.
It can't be to maintain your reputation as a scoring threat, since taking bad shots lowers your effective scoring efficiency down to where the other team would want it to be and does nothing to improve the scoring efficiency of your team mates which could conceivably open up the floor for you if you were a cutter and a slasher.
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Puffer wrote: View PostI'm trying to understand a situation in which there would be.
It can't be to maintain your reputation as a scoring threat, since taking bad shots lowers your effective scoring efficiency down to where the other team would want it to be and does nothing to improve the scoring efficiency of your team mates which could conceivably open up the floor for you if you were a cutter and a slasher.
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JWash wrote: View PostMeh it's not really exclusive to DeRozan. All #1 options take a few bad shots per game... unfortunately he's not on the level of the upper-tier guys who actually tend to make these shots sometimes. But there's definitely some justification for taking them. Especially in an offense that actually encourages playing iso-ball with nobody moving.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
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JWash wrote: View PostMeh it's not really exclusive to DeRozan. All #1 options take a few bad shots per game... unfortunately he's not on the level of the upper-tier guys who actually tend to make these shots sometimes. But there's definitely some justification for taking them. Especially in an offense that actually encourages playing iso-ball with nobody moving.Axel wrote: View PostI would be curious to see those justifications cause other than the aforementioned shot clock situation, I can't think of any.JWash wrote: View PostAlready explained itHeir, Prince of Cambridge
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