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[white men can't jump]

"Efficient"

Hmm. I guess Iverson wasn't the Sixers best scorer during his early years with the Sixers!! Iverson shot 42% during his MVP year. 39% the following year. Not very "efficient"

Who was the Sixers best scorer then? Eric Snow? Aaron McKie? McKie was pretty efficient.

Well those Sixers teams weren't good. The East was even weaker then than now. Arguably the weakest period for any conference in any major sport ever. I don't know that they're a good example of anything. If anything, they prove that even in the best case, trying to do everything to accommodate a volume scorer is still going to result in you getting your butt kicked as soon as you play a quality, true contender.

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[raptors999]

He didn't say anything about DeMar being the best player on the team. He said that DeMar is a borderline all-star, which he is. You made that up in your head.

Actually the was can actual All-star one year but wasn't even the best SG on the team last year

[mcHAPPY]

"Efficient"

Hmm. I guess Iverson wasn't the Sixers best scorer during his early years with the Sixers!! Iverson shot 42% during his MVP year. 39% the following year. Not very "efficient"

Who was the Sixers best scorer then? Eric Snow? Aaron McKie? McKie was pretty efficient.

You've missed the point entirely if that is your example.

Iverson never had anyone close to the calibre of players around him that DD does.

The game has also changed significantly in the last 10 years. Nash's run and gun Suns would be an average 3pt attempt team now after leading the league by a wide margin at that time.

[hotfuzz]

And i don't want to hear all this "ball movement" bullshit. I don't give a shit how well you move the ball, at the end of the day you need a superstar player to win in this league.

Anyone here surprised how the Cavs DOMINATED the Hawks in the playoffs last year? not me. Hell, the Hawks almost lost to the Wizards.

The Hawks and the Raptors to me are pretty much in the same position. They're not going to win anything anytime soon.

Oh how quickly we forget the absolute dismantling the spurs delivered to the heat (a much superior team) in 2014 with exquisite ball movement.

Even the lebron led heat had a lot of great ball movement. cavs made it to the finals because the east is a joke. Put that team in the western conference and they don't come out of the 2nd round.

[The Great One]

Well those Sixers teams weren't good. The East was even weaker then than now. Arguably the weakest period for any conference in any major sport ever. I don't know that they're a good example of anything. If anything, they prove that even in the best case, trying to do everything to accommodate a volume scorer is still going to result in you getting your butt kicked as soon as you play a quality, true contender.

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The 2001 Sixers team went all the way to the NBA Finals only losing to the Lakers. That Lakers team was one of greatest championship teams of all time. They went 15-1 in the playoffs that year. Only L was against the Sixers in the Finals. So i say they're more than a 'quality' team.

[The Great One]

Oh how quickly we forget the absolute dismantling the spurs delivered to the heat (a much superior team) in 2014 with exquisite ball movement.

Even the lebron led heat had a lot of great ball movement. cavs made it to the finals because the east is a joke. Put that team in the western conference and they don't come out of the 2nd round.

They were?

Spurs..........for a millon time have Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Leonard. 1 all star caliber player, 3 future HOF'ers.

If the Hawks can win a championship with the players that they have then i'll buy your argument about ball movemnt.

[The Great One]

Besides the 2004 Pistons team. Name me a team that won a title without a superstar player or players on their team.

[mcHAPPY]

They were?

Spurs..........for a millon time have Duncan, Ginobili, Parker, Leonard. 1 all star caliber player, 3 future HOF'ers.

If the Hawks can win a championship with the players that they have then i'll buy your argument about ball movemnt.

Neither of those players are near their peak or what one would consider superstar talent.

They won by playing better and smarter basketball.

Oh, Miami also had 4 future HOF'ers and 3 current-at-the-time All-stars.

[mcHAPPY]

Besides the 2004 Pistons team. Name me a team that won a title without a superstar player or players on their team.

LOL

Exactly.

So you need to get rid of DD or try to win like the Pistons.... and I don't recall the Pistons winning with a Corey Maggette on their roster - so you need to get rid of DD if you want to win like them too.

Get rid of DD and use the cap space to try to get a superstar.

[The Great One]

You've missed the point entirely if that is your example.

Iverson never had anyone close to the calibre of players around him that DD does.

The game has also changed significantly in the last 10 years. Nash's run and gun Suns would be an average 3pt attempt team now after leading the league by a wide margin at that time.

Mutombo > DeRozan/Lowry.

Mutombo > JV
Hill > Patterson
Lynch < Carroll
Iverson > DeRozan
Snow < Lowry

[white men can't jump]

The 2001 Sixers team went all the way to the NBA Finals only losing to the Lakers. That Lakers team was one of greatest championship teams of all time. They went 15-1 in the playoffs that year. Only L was against the Sixers in the Finals. So i say they're more than a 'quality' team.

They really weren't. I'd be shocked it they could finish with something like homecourt advantage in today's east, which is still quite a bit weaker than the west. Again, the competition was probably the worst it has ever been in that period.

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[The Great One]

LOL

Exactly.

So you need to get rid of DD or try to win like the Pistons.... and I don't recall the Pistons winning with a Corey Maggette on their roster - so you need to get rid of DD if you want to win like them too.

Get rid of DD and use the cap space to try to get a superstar.

Sign me up.

[SkywalkerAC]

LOL

Exactly.

So you need to get rid of DD or try to win like the Pistons.... and I don't recall the Pistons winning with a Corey Maggette on their roster - so you need to get rid of DD if you want to win like them too.

Get rid of DD and use the cap space to try to get a superstar.

Or trade! A historically superior way of obtaining star talent.

[mcHAPPY]

Mutombo > DeRozan/Lowry.

Mutombo > JV
Hill > Patterson
Lynch < Carroll
Iverson > DeRozan
Snow < Lowry

Since this is a discussion that started regarding the players scoring the most points are not necessarily the best scorers, I feel the need to remind you of that.

To rephrase my post with that context in mind, Iverson never had anyone close to the calibre of OFFENSIVE players around him that DD does.

Finally, Iverson's skills were so so so so so so much >>>>>>>>>>>>> than DD the fact this discussion is even taking place blows my mind.

[The Great One]

Since this is a discussion that started regarding the players scoring the most points are not necessarily the best scorers, I feel the need to remind you of that.

To rephrase my post with that context in mind, Iverson never had anyone close to the calibre of OFFENSIVE players around him that DD does.

Finally, Iverson's skills were so so so so so so much >>>>>>>>>>>>> than DD the fact this discussion is even taking place blows my mind.

I know that. It's not even close really, I only used AI as an example because GLF said on his post that "you're best scorer is supposed to be efficient"

Iverson wasn't very efficient.