Everything Derozan

[CB4Champ]

All You Gotta do to see that the Team is Heavy on ISO, Is see how either Lowry or Demar get the Ball, and everyone stands around and watches them do there thang...

How Much times have the Passed the ball to the Cutter?? Look at James that last Game, He had the Hockey assists countless times, the assists that set down the assist...Cause Guys were moving, and Thats why Other guys like Scola could score the Ball cause the Team was running on every Rep...Scola even mentions that They Repped(play not) at a Higher pace and that gave him the opportunity to Score more

The Guys were Moving, and like some people stated, Demar who is unselfish, only scored 14 points because he is about winning, and all the guys were contributing, Demar is not a selfish repper, but the coach does not seem to open the offence enough for the team to really use all there weapons . Look at GSW, Toronto should emulate them

Demar is another Gman, thats why he is about the Team, and does not really get angry about Touches just like Jonas....Demar scored 14 points and THE TEAM DROPPED 119POINTS!!!...Thats Example

[Snooch]

That's pretty rad actually! Did you go as Ganon? Haha




I just don't think its fair to single out Demar since the games that we have lost, have also included some pretty horrible showings from several other players, when Demar has been at least consistently decent.

i never said solely demar, in fact in another post i showed how lowry has the same effect.

they are the 2 highest usage players, so they hold the bulk of the blame.

[Miekenstien]

All You Gotta do to see that the Team is Heavy on ISO, Is see how either Lowry or Demar get the Ball, and everyone stands around and watches them do there thang...

How Much times have the Passed the ball to the Cutter?? Look at James that last Game, He had the Hockey assists countless times, the assists that set down the assist...Cause Guys were moving, and Thats why Other guys like Scola could score the Ball cause the Team was running on every Rep...Scola even mentions that The Repped(play not) at a Higher pace and that gave him the opportunity to Score more

The Guys were Moving and like some people stated Demar who is unselfish only scored 14 points because he is about winning, and all the guys were contributing, Demar is not a selfish repper, but the coach does not seem to open the offence enough for the team to really use all there weapons . Look at GSW toronto should emulate them

watch again man. lots and lots of missed wide open looks off of passes from the drives. and those people aren't sitting around doing nothing, they are waiting for the set play to start to run their play.

watch again and see how many times lowry has been deep in the paint and made a really nice pass that slips through fingers. that timing to catch those passes is the magical chemistry.

demars handles look slick this year, lowry is blowing by his man. this team has run some iso plays like when demar lines up against barrea but that is happening on mismatches. they are generally running a simple set play every time down the floor they get a chance to set. they are playing playoff basketball right now. they are trying to get the mismatches and if they aren't there they are looking for a high percentage shot.

people start grabbing those passes or hitting their looks and this team is killer. right now those missed shots are hurting the offense and the fumbled passes are hurting the defence.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

So basically when DD play bad the teams loses and when he plays good the team wins. So basically DD play affects winning.

No.

When DeRozan plays team-first basketball, the team wins.

When DeRozan plays hero-ball ISO ball, the team loses.


EDIT: and Lowry (and Casey)

[SkywalkerAC]

No.

When DeRozan plays team-first basketball, the team wins.

When DeRozan plays hero-ball ISO ball, the team loses.

So far (good) DeMar's winning, 6-3.

[CalgaryRapsFan]

So far DeMar's winning, 6-3.

The first 5 games compared to the 3 losses, were like completely different teams, and it definitely wasn't simply because shots weren't falling. Hell, against Miami, it was a completely different team in each half; team-first ball in the 1st half, hero-ball from DeRozan and Lowry in the 2nd half.

[CB4Champ]

watch again man. lots and lots of missed wide open looks off of passes from the drives. and those people aren't sitting around doing nothing, they are waiting for the set play to start to run their play.

watch again and see how many times lowry has been deep in the paint and made a really nice pass that slips through fingers. that timing to catch those passes is the magical chemistry.

demars handles look slick this year, lowry is blowing by his man. this team has run some iso plays like when demar lines up against barrea but that is happening on mismatches. they are generally running a simple set play every time down the floor they get a chance to set. they are playing playoff basketball right now. they are trying to get the mismatches and if they aren't there they are looking for a high percentage shot.

people start grabbing those passes or hitting their looks and this team is killer. right now those missed shots are hurting the offense and the fumbled passes are hurting the defence.

Dude Drives are Drives, The dude from houston James Harden always has 5-6 assists but everyone knows he is a selfish Repper...He Pounds the ball and only passes when he can get an assist...That does not mean becuase he drives and kicks means the offence is good....

You actually believe that People STANDING WAITING FOR THE PASS, Means they are involved inside the Rep(play not)??? So Is Kobe Bryants a Selfish repper to you or because guys are waiting for him to pas the ball means they don't run much ISO's???

Listen Fam, The Best Way To Win is with a Offence That Allows all the Mans Dem a Chance To Flex. Meaning They all Know they will have the chance to score a Buckets cause teammates are unselfish and see them cutting to the hoop and Pass to them, Not Going 1 on 1 and then passing for the Assist to pad stats...Everyone must know Kobe Bryant, James Harden etc are all about there stats...They run ISO's Raps Run ISO's

[Miekenstien]

Dude Drives are Drives, The dude from houston James Harden always has 5-6 assists but everyone knows he is a selfish Repper...He Pounds the ball and only passes when he can get an assist...That does not mean becuase he drives and kicks means the offence is good....

You actually believe that People STANDING WAITING FOR THE PASS, Means they are involved inside the Rep(play not)??? So Is Kobe Bryants a Selfish repper to you or because guys are waiting for him to pas the ball means they don't run much ISO's???

Listen Fam, The Best Way To Win is with a Offence That Allows all the Mans Dem a Chance To Flex. Meaning They all Know they will have the chance to score a Buckets cause teammates are unselfish and see them cutting to the hoop and Pass to them, Not Going 1 on 1 and then passing for the Assist to pad stats...Everyone must know Kobe Bryant, James Harden etc are all about there stats...They run ISO's Raps Run ISO's

you need to stay on one side of an argument. a few posts ago, maybe this thread or another, assists were the most important things and i pointed out how we are 7th in passes. now assists are useless but our team is still 7th in passes.

drives are drives and drives aren't iso plays. if every play that has a man defender is an iso play then every play is an iso play unless several people are touching the ball at the same time and shooting it together.

[CB4Champ]

you need to stay on one side of an argument. a few posts ago, maybe this thread or another, assists were the most important things and i pointed out how we are 7th in passes. now assists are useless but our team is still 7th in passes.

drives are drives and drives aren't iso plays. if every play that has a man defender is an iso play then every play is an iso play unless several people are touching the ball at the same time and shooting it together.

Guy I am Staying on one the arguement...You stated that guys were Waiting to get the ball from a lowry drive and that lowry drives and passes and guys are missing shots...I told You that when A guy is standing waiting for an pass that is what they call BAILOUT they are not part of the rep(play not) but are there for when guys like demar either drive and hold the ball, pumpfake or drive into traffic and need a bailout...thats not being part of the rep. Don't you know what hockey assists are??? They are the guy who passes the ball to a repper who then passes to another guy and that guy scores so the 1st passer gets no stats the 2nd passer gets the assists but the 1st passer he set down the movement!!!(Hint)

James Johnson gets Those kind of Assists thats Why People who Watched The Sixers game stated He was the MVP of The Game....

[Miekenstien]

Guy I am Staying on one the arguement...You stated that guys were Waiting to get the ball from a lowry drive and that lowry drives and passes and guys are missing shots...I told You that when A guy is standing waiting for an pass that is what they call BAILOUT they are not part of the rep(play not) but are there for when guys like demar either drive and hold the ball, pumpfake or drive into traffic and need a bailout...thats not being part of the rep. Don't you know what hockey assists are??? They are the guy who passes the ball to a repper who then passes to another guy and that guy scores so the 1st passer gets no stats but he set down the movement!!!(Hint)

i never said guys were standing waiting for passes. i said that the cutters and spot up shooters were standing and waiting for the set play to begin. when it begins the cutters cut and the drivers (lowry and derozan) have been making the right plays by either dishing it out to the spot up shooter or dishing it in to a cutter. there is also a roller.

the idea that all the passes off of drives are bailouts is stupid. a bailout would happen every now and then on accident. these are happening off of every drive.

can you please explain to me what hockey assists are? as a canadian i am unfamiliar with the term. and again 7th in team passes. so lets say jv inbounds to lowry who breaks his man down and dishes to scola for a layup. does jv get a "hockey assist"? how far back does hockey assist go?

[SkywalkerAC]

Sure but DeMar is making plenty of hockey-assists, or would-be hockey assists, through the course of these games. It's the way drive and kick usually works. Unfortunately it's a bit more kick-pass-clang/drive(-kick-pass-clang) than we'd prefer because everyone knows we don't have an elite shooting squad right now.

Sure when we're up against it we've tightened up with the result being some uglier basketball, but how much of that is opposing defences clamping down and us unable to punish them with shooting? I can't say.

[CB4Champ]

i never said guys were standing waiting for passes. i said that the cutters and spot up shooters were standing and waiting for the set play to begin. when it begins the cutters cut and the drivers (lowry and derozan) have been making the right plays by either dishing it out to the spot up shooter or dishing it in to a cutter. there is also a roller.

the idea that all the passes off of drives are bailouts is stupid. a bailout would happen every now and then on accident. these are happening off of every drive.

can you please explain to me what hockey assists are? as a canadian i am unfamiliar with the term. and again 7th in team passes. so lets say jv inbounds to lowry who breaks his man down and dishes to scola for a layup. does jv get a "hockey assist"? how far back does hockey assist go?

Don't know what game Your watching but ISO's is what is happening..the rest of the Reppers just stand there while demar and lowry work their man 1 on 1 and they pass when they are trapped, or when they hold their dribble

Look at this Video and watch move 32secs where demar goes 1 on 4 and gets blocked!!!

watch also 1:00 min when demar gets a rebound and goes right back into a post up!!!
No movement just Jacking, 3 OF HIS TEAMMATES JUST STAND THERE STARING AT HIM!!!

Look from 1:06 to see Demar call for a Pic and the drive 1 on 4 to try and get a basket,
His MATES STAND THERE STARING AT HIM!!!

Look from 1:10 where demar calls for a pick and
then just dribbles and dribbles and then shoots with 9 GUYS WATCHING HIM!!!

Look at 1:50 Where Coach Casey runs a AWESOME REP and Demar PUMPFAKES THE BALL INSTEAD OF GOING UP STRONG!!!

[CB4Champ]

Sure but DeMar is making plenty of hockey-assists, or would-be hockey assists, through the course of these games. It's the way drive and kick usually works. Unfortunately it's a bit more kick-pass-clang/drive(-kick-pass-clang) than we'd prefer because everyone knows we don't have an elite shooting squad right now.

Sure when we're up against it we've tightened up with the result being some uglier basketball, but how much of that is opposing defences clamping down and us unable to punish them with shooting? I can't say.

Not from what I see fam, Demar and Lowry are leading a Team that is 26th inside Assists meaning none is getting the assist.

Hockey Assists would mean we are getting assists, not avg 18 assists and ranked 4th last, Watch GSW to understand.

Bless

[CB4Champ]

For all the Brothas and Sistas, Watch This highlight from the GSW vs Pistons game...That Game the GSW had 29 Assists!!! as a Team especially watch:

Watch From 1:08 where The Leader Steph Curry Inna Hurry, Leads the Break and Does a Quick Pass to a running and cutting Barnes who then Himself does a Pass to a Man Wide Open For The Three..TEAMWORK!!! No six, six no love, Seven Sent

Toronto Can Be Like Golden State, Truss...They have Almost as Talented a Squad and even with Guys like Ross not repping good right now this Team can still win 50-55 games,
THATS HOW SCARY THE RAPTORS ARE!!! Wow!!!

Casey Just Has To Stop The ISO Obsessed calls...Allow All The Mans Dem To Know They Will be Used Positively, Instead of Just STANDING THERE STARING AT LOWRY AND DEMAR!!!

[DanH]

There are stats to track assist chances, passes out of drives, etc.

DeRozan this year drives 9.7 times a game, 9th most in the league. He passes from a drive 3.6 times a game, 8th in the league (37% of his drives). He gets 0.6 assists on his drive passes (ie 1 in 6 passes from drives end up assists).

Overall, DeMar gets 3.3 assists on 8 assist chances per game, leading to 8.4 points. That's a general conversion rate of just over 1 point created per assist chance. Lowry's is 1.25, CoJo's is 1. Other players on the team float between 1 and 1.5. The team overall averages about 1.1 points per assist chance, pretty close to in line for DeMar, and is bottom third or so (average appears to be 1.15-1.2, with the Warriors and Hawks up near 1.25-1.3 and the bottom of the league 1-1.1). There seems to be a loose correlation between that ratio and the raw number of assist chances, where the Raptors rank 28th.

It's not like the team is out of this world terrible at converting assist chances to assists. They are sub-par. But there exists the possibility that most of his missed assist chances are coming on his drive kick outs - although that would mean that his other passes are being converted at a crazy high rate, which brings up his assists anyway.