Everything Derozan

[Chr1s1anL]

Jimmy Butler is absolutely not a second tier wing player. He's one of the absolute best in the game. He's elite defensively and very, very good offensively.

Developmentally, as well, Butler and DeRozan might be the same age but Butler has half the minutes played in the NBA that DeMar does, so you could easily make a case that Butler has more growth left than DeMar does.

So you put Butler in with LBJ, KD, PG, Harden? I don't put him in that class.

[Snooch]

I said wing players. His not in the first tier with LBJ, KD, PG13, Harden, Melo. His in that second tier with Dd

He is in the top tier with Klay and the others.

Butler is more efficent that Harden.....by alot. He just doesnt put up the same raw stats cause his usage is minute in comparison and his fgas are alot less.

[Mess]

Simple question, if someone proposed a straight up trade for the two players, what happens?

My opinion: Toronto jumps on it, Chicago doesn't consider it for a second.

Derrick Rose says yes.

[Axel]

So you put Butler in with LBJ, KD, PG, Harden? I don't put him in that class.

Well when you are opening up the position to the less defined "wing" - it could certainly be argued.

But LeBron and Durant are definitively SFs. George has been playing PF but when he was a SG he was similar to what Butler is now. Harden is vastly overrated imo because he only plays offence and is a liability on defence.

In terms of pure SG - Butler might be the best in the game today.

In terms of wing - Butler, KD, LeBron, PG, Kwahi, Harden are all in the conversation for top 5.

[Axel]

Derrick Rose says yes.

So there's hope!

[Chr1s1anL]

Damn, didn't know Butler was such a hot button subject.

[A.I]

So you put Butler in with LBJ, KD, PG, Harden? I don't put him in that class.

I suppose we class them differently. I put Lebron and KD on a whole level above Harden. PG is up there with Lebron and KD this season. I'd put guys like Melo, Butler, Harden, Klay, Kawhi in the same class and DD a class below them.

[Chr1s1anL]

I suppose we class them differently. I put Lebron and KD on a whole level above Harden. PG is up there with Lebron and KD this season. I'd put guys like Melo, Butler, Harden, Klay, Kawhi in the same class and DD a class below them.

Your entitled to your opinion

[raptors999]

I suppose we class them differently. I put Lebron and KD on a whole level above Harden. PG is up there with Lebron and KD this season. I'd put guys like Melo, Butler, Harden, Klay, Kawhi in the same class and DD a class below them.

Lebron, KD, Kawhi and PG - SF who can play small ball 4 or SG except Kawhi
Klay, Butler, Harden - SG who play 2 ways covering D for PG except Harden

Melo - one way SF or PF tier below

[JWash]

I suppose we class them differently. I put Lebron and KD on a whole level above Harden. PG is up there with Lebron and KD this season. I'd put guys like Melo, Butler, Harden, Klay, Kawhi in the same class and DD a class below them.

Agree with you but I'd drop Melo down to where DD is. DD is better than or at least as good as him at this point tbh.

[Barolt]

Agree with you but I'd drop Melo down to where DD is. DD is better than or at least as good as him at this point tbh.

I thought you were wrong, but looking them up and Melo has slipped enough that they're comparable this year.

[A.I]

Agree with you but I'd drop Melo down to where DD is. DD is better than or at least as good as him at this point tbh.

True, he hasn't been good compared to his previous seasons.

[Snooch]

Well when you are opening up the position to the less defined "wing" - it could certainly be argued.

But LeBron and Durant are definitively SFs. George has been playing PF but when he was a SG he was similar to what Butler is now. Harden is vastly overrated imo because he only plays offence and is a liability on defence.

In terms of pure SG - Butler might be the best in the game today.

In terms of wing - Butler, KD, LeBron, PG, Kwahi, Harden are all in the conversation for top 5.

defensive rating on Harden and Demar are the same.

[A.I]

defensive rating on Harden and Demar are the same.

Neither of them are good defenders.

[Barolt]

defensive rating on Harden and Demar are the same.

Yeah, but offensively... Harden is quite a bit better.