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[Wild-ling#1]

To put it another way: "Hey, we need you to take a pay cut so that I can save more money." You're not going to find anyone in any employment anywhere who says yes to that unless the alternative is no job.

Businesses negotiating more modest employee salaries, to remain profitable (for example), is routine.

[Wild-ling#1]

Uh, no. The players don't care and no owner in the world will successfully pitch a "save me money" contract to a player. No corporation is entitled to show a profit - they are entitled to try to, but by no means are their employees, especially prospective employees, forced to take a pay cut for no other reason than to guarantee (or increase) said profit.

It's about negotiating mutually advantageous agreements. And "profitability" is typically the corporation's main (if not only) criterion.

(Or - "Uh, yes", to use your language - Jeez, Dan ...)

[MixxAOR]

Businesses negotiating more modest employee salaries, to remain profitable (for example), is routine.

Well that doesn't apply in this case

[MixxAOR]

Businesses negotiating more modest employee salaries, to remain profitable (for example), is routine.

Employees leaving to a company that pays more is pretty routine too.

[Wild-ling#1]

Well that doesn't apply in this case

OK, I'll bite. Because ... ?

[MixxAOR]

OK, I'll bite. Because ... ?

Dynamic between average employee and average company is completely different from NBA player and NBA Franchise.

[Wild-ling#1]

Dynamic between average employee and average company is completely different from NBA player and NBA Franchise.

Well, not completely different. But even outside of the employee/employer context, contract negotiation principles remain the same - though the context and circumstances/identities of the parties do matter.

(If anyone's interested, I'd highly recommend a book called "Getting to Yes" - the result of a research and seminar series conducted jointly by the Harvard Law and MBA programs. A best-selling, thin, "how-to" paperback book about negotiating. Good! )

[Axel]

Well, not completely different. But even outside of the employee/employer context, contract negotiation principles remain the same - though the context and circumstances/identities of the parties do matter.

(If anyone's interested, I'd highly recommend a book called "Getting to Yes" - the result of a research and seminar series conducted jointly by the Harvard Law and MBA programs. A best-selling, thin, p"how-to" paperback book about negotiating. Good! )

No man. The NBA is different. If you want to start a thread about negotiations in sports/business then feel free to find the appropriate subforum.

[Wild-ling#1]

No man. The NBA is different. If you want to start a thread about negotiations in sports/business then feel free to find the appropriate subforum.

We are talking about NBA negotiations. The Raps/DeRozan negotiation, specifically. But someone has suggested these negotiations will differ significantly from other sorts. Neither they (nor you) have made it clear how, though ... but I have suggested (as a trained negotiator, and drafter of contracts, as it happens) that the principles are the same - to further what I trust is an interesting and useful discussion.

But perhaps I might have analogized to negotiations between Princess Amidala and the Confederacy of Independent Systems - rather than other business or employee/employer negotiations?

More acceptable/fun?

[Axel]

We are talking about NBA negotiations. The Raps/DeRozan negotiation, specifically. But someone has suggested these negotiations will differ significantly from other sorts. Neither they (nor you) have made it clear how, though ... but I have suggested (as a trained negotiator, and drafter of contracts, as it happens) that the principles are the same - to further what I trust is an interesting and useful discussion.

But perhaps I might have analogized to negotiations between Princess Amidala and the Confederacy of Independent Systems - rather than other business or employee/employer negotiations?

More acceptable/fun?

Wow. I'm trained too. Big whoop. You're suggesting business related discounts by players, which doesn't really happen in the NBA and don't want 6 pages of the thread devote to a topic that will have nothing to do with DD.

[slamdunk23]

DD playing for that max right now

[Wild-ling#1]

Well, negotiating a contract - any contract - begins with figuring out if you (maybe even uniquely) have what the other guy wants - and vice versa. If you don't have a match ... so be it.

But if DeRozan actually (and significantly) values:

- This city, organization, his team-mates and the idea of playing his career with one team.
- His relationship with Kyle (though most see Kyle as the bigger talent - who's the "Big bro" there? )
- Winning a championship - and believes Toronto will get closer to winning one, with him, than L.A. ...

And if DeMar thinks that whatever discount and/or salary structure he might agree to will be reasonably necessary to bring in a KD or a Horford ...

... Then I think you have the makings of a possible deal (from DeMar's point of view)!

Still, I really don't know if Masai might get a "green-light" to go into the luxury tax (still ticked about the Jays ...)

So ... yeah, a lotta "ifs". And I am sure to be over-estimating (and neglecting) key values; those are "behind-closed doors" facts, so often. But that's the kind of thinking, in my view, that gets such a deal done ... if it can be done ...

[The Great One]

DeRozan's last 6: 26.8 pts, 50% FG, 53-60 FT. Defenders he's faced: Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Khris Middleton, Luol Deng/Justise Winslow

— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) December 19, 2015

[Chr1s1anL]

Debo is playing like an All-star starter

[Wild-ling#1]

DeRozan's last 6: 26.8 pts, 50% FG, 53-60 FT. Defenders he's faced: Kawhi Leonard, Paul George, Khris Middleton, Luol Deng/Justise Winslow

— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) December 19, 2015

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