OK, this is the argument of "it hasn't happened before therefore it will never happen". That's not an argument. Maybe it has to do with historically, no team I can think of has done such a colossally bad job building around a generational talent. By the 1st/2nd year of most superstars/perennial all-star type players' extensions, they are usually on at least a playoff contender that they have at least modest success with. That's not the case with Davis. They made the playoffs once, and their team actually looks like it's gotten worse. So when you say no superstar has ever asked out in the 1st/2nd year of an extension, has any such star ever been in such an obviously terrible situation?
The real issue is two-fold
-Has any superstar EVER not dictated where they end up playing? Ever? They always go where they want, regardless of specific timing.
-Has any team ever benefitted from dragging out the mediocrity process and waiting til the 2nd last/last year of a superstar's contract to trade him? The answer is no. Never. The team that tries to play the "process" card and convince the guy to give the situation a chance almost always ends up not getting anything close to good value. Doesn't even matter if the guy doesn't ask for a trade, if a team sucks and has a star, it gets harder and harder to get the value you'd want back the closer it gets to the end of his contract.
Name me one single superstar in the last 25 years who was forced to stay somewhere they didn't want to play?
*I totally understand the point you're trying to make...but just because something is unprecedented doesn't mean it won't happen.
->It was unprecedented for stars to dictate where they go in trades at all, but since Shaq did it to get to Miami in the mid-00s, it is not uncommon at all
-> It was unprecedented for 3 top players to all collude to end up in the same place, nevertheless it happened with the Heatles
-> Another one for LeBron was it was unprecedented for a player to start his career with a team, leave to win, end up winning, and then for some reason decide to go back to the team he started with...yes it being his hometown definitely skews the process, but it was still something that never happened before.
Superstars have been on a consistent upward trend in terms of their power to influence things in the league, including where they play, and frankly nothing would surprise me at this point, not even a young stud asking out in the 1st/2nd year of an extension.
**Oh and btw, when Vince asked out of Toronto (and yes he was a superstar at the time, or at least a big enough one to fit into this discussion), he had 3 more years left on his contract. Davis will have the same after this summer (has a player option to opt out before the last year, which stars always do unless they have health issues). That situation was messy and it did zero damage to Carter's reputation (outside Toronto). Davis is an even bigger star in an era where they have even more control.
The real issue is two-fold
-Has any superstar EVER not dictated where they end up playing? Ever? They always go where they want, regardless of specific timing.
-Has any team ever benefitted from dragging out the mediocrity process and waiting til the 2nd last/last year of a superstar's contract to trade him? The answer is no. Never. The team that tries to play the "process" card and convince the guy to give the situation a chance almost always ends up not getting anything close to good value. Doesn't even matter if the guy doesn't ask for a trade, if a team sucks and has a star, it gets harder and harder to get the value you'd want back the closer it gets to the end of his contract.
Name me one single superstar in the last 25 years who was forced to stay somewhere they didn't want to play?
*I totally understand the point you're trying to make...but just because something is unprecedented doesn't mean it won't happen.
->It was unprecedented for stars to dictate where they go in trades at all, but since Shaq did it to get to Miami in the mid-00s, it is not uncommon at all
-> It was unprecedented for 3 top players to all collude to end up in the same place, nevertheless it happened with the Heatles
-> Another one for LeBron was it was unprecedented for a player to start his career with a team, leave to win, end up winning, and then for some reason decide to go back to the team he started with...yes it being his hometown definitely skews the process, but it was still something that never happened before.
Superstars have been on a consistent upward trend in terms of their power to influence things in the league, including where they play, and frankly nothing would surprise me at this point, not even a young stud asking out in the 1st/2nd year of an extension.
**Oh and btw, when Vince asked out of Toronto (and yes he was a superstar at the time, or at least a big enough one to fit into this discussion), he had 3 more years left on his contract. Davis will have the same after this summer (has a player option to opt out before the last year, which stars always do unless they have health issues). That situation was messy and it did zero damage to Carter's reputation (outside Toronto). Davis is an even bigger star in an era where they have even more control.
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