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Fully wrote: View PostI don't really see this as a debate of JV's talent the way you do. In a non salary cap world then you just keep him, along with Ibaka, 2Pat, Lowry, etc. because why would you give away good players unless you're getting a better one back. I just have a feeling that there will be some collateral damage from the current roster in order to resign Ibaka & Lowry to huge deals and JV seems like the most obvious choice for the reasons I originally stated.
But obviously something is going to have to give.
It is going to be difficult to see MLSE paying JV the equivalent of $34m, $27m to Joseph, and $95m to Carrol because that is what being $38m over the cap will cost (~$156m) plus the other $122m.
Anyone see MLSE paying $278m AT MINIMUM to keep this squad together?
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Personally I'd rather have JV on the roster over 2Pat, Carroll or CoJo. So if a decision comes down to which players to cut to save on tax $$$.. I'm looking at JV last. I'd even put DD on the list over JV. We know Powell can play his position just fine and DD makes the most on this team (I do suspect Lowry will take that mantle though).
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Odin wrote: View PostI can't agree with this more.
But obviously something is going to have to give.
It is going to be difficult to see MLSE paying JV the equivalent of $34m, $27m to Joseph, and $95m to Carrol because that is what being $38m over the cap will cost (~$156m) plus the other $122m.
Anyone see MLSE paying $278m AT MINIMUM to keep this squad together?
Plus more winning means more justification to gouge, er I mean, raise, ticket prices.Two beer away from being two beers away.
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tDotted wrote: View PostYep. Caroll and CoJo are the first players to dump if we're trying to cut salary.
Once again, this isn't meant to be an indictment of JV. In an ironic way it's JV's combination of youth/talent/trade value that may cause him to be the odd man out... and because he doesn't seem like a crucial piece to this team's current construction. It's certainly not because I think that DC or Cujo are better players.Last edited by Fully; Fri Feb 24, 2017, 10:05 PM.
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hotfuzz wrote: View PostYup. JV's as good as gone next season. With Ibaka here now, he's barely going to see more than 20 mins/game. Bye JV, it was nice knowing ya.
first boston has no bigs.
second Bebe has no business playing and one would hope Casey will realize that soon. Give JV all 11 of bebe's minutes tonight and we win handily, and youd have used him for 28 minutes.
They'll need him.
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KHD wrote: View Posteh, i don't think so actually.
first boston has no bigs.
second Bebe has no business playing and one would hope Casey will realize that soon. Give JV all 11 of bebe's minutes tonight and we win handily, and youd have used him for 28 minutes.
They'll need him.
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Fully wrote: View PostBeing better than Bebe is a very small hurdle to jump in order to be considered indispensable. The team would have definitely been better off if JV ate Bebe's 11 minutes but they were also better without JV on the floor at all.
"better than bebe" isn't the hurdle. bebe was a huge negative. JV was contributing positively. And you're only going to be able to get away with Ibaka at the 5 for so long and probably can't do it against every team.
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KHD wrote: View Postok, then who do you want playing 28 minutes a night at the 5? Banking on Jakob? really hope you're not wanting us to roll with Bebe.
"better than bebe" isn't the hurdle. bebe was a huge negative. JV was contributing positively. And you're only going to be able to get away with Ibaka at the 5 for so long and probably can't do it against every team.Last edited by Fully; Sat Feb 25, 2017, 12:21 AM.
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Fully wrote: View PostI really think you're overreacting. Bebe has been our backup centre for the entire year essentially, contributing positively in a decent amount of games. He started tonight as the backup centre, relieving JV, but Bebe absolutely sucked... so he only played 11 minutes. You make it seem like Casey kept him out there for the entire night while he was getting roasted. 11 minutes is really not very many - in fact it's 10 less than he's played this year on average. Casey tried to buy a few minutes here and there with him on the court and it didn't work... so he would promptly get lifted.
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