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I'm not sure who indoctrinated you guys into thinking like this, but I see you guys are still part of the older generation whose understanding of batters is limited to batting averages.
Here's a very simple (appropriate for your reading levels) article outlining the flaws of BAs: http://joyofsox.blogspot.ca/2012/01/...age-in-12.html
Also, here's an interesting statistic: the Rays last season had 3rd most runs in the league despite the 2nd worst batting average. Hmm........
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That isn't the point, they have trouble just getting on base.. Forget about average, if they aren't getting on base at all then you have to admit they have some problems. The Jays don't walk a lot, they strike out a lot.. So I think batting average is pretty important. They can't hit home runs every time, and when they never have men on base what good is an extra base hit? Take Edwin out of the mix this year and we'd be in trouble.
Don't get me wrong, the bullpen was horrible to start the season, like really bad, so a lot of losses are on their inability to finish games, but you can't tell me our hitting has been among the best. Look where Lind is, look where Thames is, obviously we've had our share of problems.
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Prime wrote: View PostI'm not sure who indoctrinated you guys into thinking like this, but I see you guys are still part of the older generation whose understanding of batters is limited to batting averages.
Here's a very simple (appropriate for your reading levels) article outlining the flaws of BAs: http://joyofsox.blogspot.ca/2012/01/...age-in-12.html
Also, here's an interesting statistic: the Rays last season had 3rd most runs in the league despite the 2nd worst batting average. Hmm........
Appropriate for our reading levels huh?
Keep it up bud.
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Ryan_1523 wrote: View PostThat isn't the point, they have trouble just getting on base.. Forget about average, if they aren't getting on base at all then you have to admit they have some problems. The Jays don't walk a lot, they strike out a lot.. So I think batting average is pretty important. They can't hit home runs every time, and when they never have men on base what good is an extra base hit? Take Edwin out of the mix this year and we'd be in trouble.
Don't get me wrong, the bullpen was horrible to start the season, like really bad, so a lot of losses are on their inability to finish games, but you can't tell me our hitting has been among the best. Look where Lind is, look where Thames is, obviously we've had our share of problems.
Rays know how to draw walks, do the Jays? No, there's no comparison, Rays do things differently.. That pretty much debunks your whole point.
That being said, of course we do things differently--we hit home runs and we drive in runs when they count. It's always been that way.
.40 Cal Flakes wrote: View PostWow. Great article link there Prime.
Appropriate for our reading levels huh?
Keep it up bud.
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The questions about the Jays run differential that have been raised relate to a few things: abnormally high LOB% for their pitchers; abnormally high GB rates for their pitchers; abnormally high number of DPs; FIP numbers that suggest ERAs are set to climb; abnormally high BA with RISP for the lineup. These are worrying signs, especially the FIP numbers.
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slaw wrote: View PostThe questions about the Jays run differential that have been raised relate to a few things: abnormally high LOB% for their pitchers; abnormally high GB rates for their pitchers; abnormally high number of DPs; FIP numbers that suggest ERAs are set to climb; abnormally high BA with RISP for the lineup. These are worrying signs, especially the FIP numbers.
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Thank God Eric Thames is gone down, its now the time to give Snider that chance after he recovers.
What happened to Luis Perez, that guy is one of the best relievers we got.
Im going to the Red Sox game on Sunday and getting the Yunel Escobar bobble head, thats my shit lol.Last edited by e2thed; Thu May 31, 2012, 08:57 PM.
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Was just thinking about the Lawrie/Marcum trade. So far, which team do you think came out ahead? Marcum has been a steady 200 inning guy with an ERA of about 3.50 for the last few years, and while I haven't been that impressed with Lawrie's play offensively yet this year, he really does energize the team and definitely the fans. He also has a few years on Marcum and I think he'll only get better. It's a pretty even trade really, but with all our starting pitching inconsistencies it'd sure be nice to have another reliable SP to fall back on.
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Ryan_1523 wrote: View PostWas just thinking about the Lawrie/Marcum trade. So far, which team do you think came out ahead? Marcum has been a steady 200 inning guy with an ERA of about 3.50 for the last few years, and while I haven't been that impressed with Lawrie's play offensively yet this year, he really does energize the team and definitely the fans. He also has a few years on Marcum and I think he'll only get better. It's a pretty even trade really, but with all our starting pitching inconsistencies it'd sure be nice to have another reliable SP to fall back on.
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As a basketball related note, for those people who want to "fix" the NBA draft and cure all that ails it, the 2012 Rule IV MLB draft is a great reminder of the law of unintended consequences. The Jays, Yanks, Red Sox and Rangers made a mockery out of the draft. What a joke.
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slaw wrote: View PostAs a basketball related note, for those people who want to "fix" the NBA draft and cure all that ails it, the 2012 Rule IV MLB draft is a great reminder of the law of unintended consequences. The Jays, Yanks, Red Sox and Rangers made a mockery out of the draft. What a joke.
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Ryan_1523 wrote: View PostCare to elaborate?
Bottom line is, teams will always find ways to exploit the rules and you may just be making things worse.
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