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  • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
    http://www.examiner.com/article/how-...-warming-pause

    When in question, change the data! #F*ckCredibility!
    Read this stuff all the time. And then try and get an "independent" & lay take on the incriminatory statements get the following. This is just an example and Judith Curry is in it and the issue the same....they fudged the data! And this one includes one of the prime water carriers in the media...Fox News. James Taylor btw who writes for Forbes (one of your links) is a card carrying member of Heartland Inst.


    The U.S. Senate may have voted 98-1 that "climate change is real and not a hoax," but the accusation that government scientists have cooked the books and invented a warming trend is as robust as ever.

    Fox News host Dana Perino joined several of her colleagues this week in casting doubt on the data scientists use to track temperature changes over time. Perino’s comments came on Feb. 9, 2015, as she and her co-hosts on The Five somewhat sarcastically discussed how the fight against Islamic State or ISIS drew attention away from other issues, such as climate change.

    "They're (the White House) actually kind of lucky that we don't cover climate change as much as we should," Perino said. "Because yesterday, it was reported that the temperature readings have been fabricated and it's all blowing up in their faces."

    Co-host Kimberly Guilfoyle interjected that it was "fraud science" and Perino said, "Yes, I agree."

    We have checked this sort of claim before and found it wrong, but some time has passed, and Perino referenced new reporting. So we wanted to fact-check her claim that temperature readings "have been fabricated."

    We reached out to Perino to find the source of her statement and did not hear back. However, a couple of days before she spoke, the British paper The Telegraph carried an opinion piece entitled, "The fiddling with temperature data is the biggest science scandal ever."

    The article drew on the work of a well-known climate change skeptic, Paul Homewood, who on Feb. 4, 2015, blogged about alterations in the temperature records in Paraguay and some arctic locations. The Telegraph article concluded that these changes were part of the "greatest and most costly scare the world has known."

    But when we reached Homewood, he offered a more nuanced summary of his findings.

    "I make no claims about the effect of (temperature) adjustments globally," Homewood said. "I feel that by identifying specific examples, we have moved the debate forward by challenging how adjustments work in practice, and whether we can always rely on them."

    Homewood’s concerns center on something most of us don’t think about too often: the massive data files used by climate scientists worldwide to track changes globally and in different regions of the earth.

    Raw data vs. adjusted data

    Every month, readings from thousands of land-based weather stations around the world are shared through the Global Historical Climatology Network. To measure ocean temperatures, there is a flow of data from buoys and ships. Climate trends play out over long periods of time, and the challenge has been to deal with changes in the way temperature is measured that have nothing to do with the weather itself.

    For instance, local officials might move a station from a valley to a nearby hilltop. They might change the time of day when they record their measurements from sunrise to sunset. They might change the kind of thermometer they use. In the ocean, the practice once was to haul up a bucket of water. Later, the standard practice was to measure the temperature from the engine’s intake valve.

    Researchers at the National Climatic Data Center, which is part of the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration, have to then come up with a way to work with the temperature readings so they can make apples-to-apples comparisons.

    What they do is take the raw temperature readings and apply a boatload of statistical techniques to pick out the most reliable data. Where necessary, they adjust the readings to account for the human factors that would skew the data regardless of what happened with actual temperatures.

    The controversy voiced by Homewood and others is that they don’t accept those adjustments.

    NOAA says the adjustments -- as was the case in Paraguay -- are necessary to make valid comparisons.

    "Such changes in observing systems cause false shifts in temperature readings. Paraguay is one example of where these false shifts artificially lower the true station temperature trend," the agency said.

    Homewood is right that the Paraguay adjustments raised the temperature reported for that station. But what Homewood leaves out, NOAA says, is that nearly half the time the adjustments made by researchers lower the temperature below what was actually recorded.

    No change in the big picture

    Perino said that researchers’ theories of climate change were "blowing up in their faces." That is not the view of the researchers we reached.

    Judith Curry is chair of the School of Earth and Atmospheric Sciences at the Georgia Institute of Technology. Curry believes the issues with the adjusted data are "greater than have been portrayed." On the other hand, she told PunditFact that the concerns in the Telegraph op-ed were "overblown" and that the basic conclusion remains the same.

    "The adjustments aren't of such a magnitude that they throw into question the overall increase in global temperature for the past 100-plus years," Curry said.

    An independent group of researchers called Berkeley Earth have the sole goal of working with the raw data and analyzing it for themselves. Zeke Hausfather is a data scientist with the group.

    Hausfather told PunditFact that the warning flag raised by The Telegraph article and bloggers amounts to cherry-picking the data. That’s because while some adjustments might make it seem like scientists are artificially raising temperatures, some adjustments at other stations actually would lead you to the opposite conclusion.

    "(They) look through all those thousands of stations, find a few that show big adjustments, and tell everyone that they are evidence of fraud," Hausfather said. "You will rarely see them pick out stations like Reno, Paris, London, Tokyo, or many others where the adjustments dramatically lower the warming trend."

    Hausfather and his colleagues traced how the adjustment methods changed the temperature data differently around the world since 1850. In the graph below, zero is the baseline. Above zero, temperatures have been adjusted upward, below it temperatures have been adjusted downward.

    2015-02-12 14_43_59-figure-4-homogenizationdifferences.png (1170×900).png

    In the United States, with about 5 percent of Earth’s land area, the official data file raised temperatures compared to the original readings. But the same methods lowered the data records in Africa, and for all land-based readings taken together, the adjustments basically made no change at all (the black line). With ocean temperature trends, the efforts to compensate for the human factor lower the numbers dramatically.

    "The net effect of adjustments is to actually reduce the amount of global warming we've observed since 1880 by about 20 percent," Hausfather said. "Folks skeptical of temperature adjustments are welcome not to use them if they'd like, but you end up with more global warming, not less."

    Mark Serreze is professor of geography at the University of Colorado-Boulder. Serreze said over the years, many people have vetted the statistical methods that lead to the adjusted data files.

    "The features of the global temperature records have been verified by comparisons between analyses from different centers and sensitivities to different ways of treating the data," Serreze said. "The peer reviewed literature is extensive. This is why there is consensus that the data are correct."

    For the record, the author of the The Telegraph opinion piece made the same point about eight months ago. Back then, it inspired a similar flurry of claims that government scientists intentionally engaged in fraud.

    Our ruling

    Perino said that disclosures of fabricated temperature readings have upended theories of climate change. The source we believe she relied on, The Telegraph opinion piece, in turn relied on the work of a climate change skeptic and blogger. He told us that he was not challenging the overall trends of global warming, but instead wanted to draw attention to anomalies in the data.

    The researchers we contacted, who have no ties to the government agencies that produce the data Perino questioned, said that while the raw temperature readings are adjusted, the result is a record that more closely matches what has actually taken place. The greater mistake would be to take the raw data as somehow perfect and unblemished.

    The allegations raised by skeptics like the author of The Telegraph item have had no effect on the consensus that the Earth has seen an increase in temperatures over the past 100 years.

    This claim has been debunked before. To continue to repeat it moves it into the realm of the ridiculous.

    We rate the claim Pants on Fire.



    http://www.politifact.com/punditfact...icated-temper/
    Last edited by Bendit; Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:20 PM.

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    • Sorry man.

      The data adjustments matter. The data is the data. If you tamper wi the data, you lose all credibility.

      Especially when you see the .gifs with the data before and after adjustments.

      It is the heart of the entire issue when we're dealing with 1/10s of degrees and .038% of the earth atmosphere made up of CO2.


      You gave no link.

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      • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
        Sorry man.

        The data adjustments matter. The data is the data. If you tamper wi the data, you lose all credibility.

        Especially when you see the .gifs with the data before and after adjustments.

        It is the heart of the entire issue when we're dealing with 1/10s of degrees and .038% of the earth atmosphere made up of CO2.


        You gave no link.
        Sorry, I forgot the link..its there now.

        The reasons for the adjustments were peer reviewed and considered acceptable...but not to all.

        I suspect this disagreement will go on.

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        • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
          And why are they shunned?

          Because they have come to politically incorrect conclusions.


          Cycles man. It is all cycles. This cycle has reversed. It is the late 70s and they are warning of impending ice age. Hysteria. Just like the central bankers are in control. If enough mainstream press report it suddenly it is true. Nah.

          But you keep reading and using as justification that fine upstanding site known as skepticalscience. Haha.

          They are expecting snow in Hong Kong. I bet they are wishing for some global warming right about now.
          They were shunned because of fraudulent findings, and improper scientific methods.

          Cycles....riiiiiiiight. Atmospheric CO2 content increasing exponentially over a 50 year span....happens all the time. It's just a coincidence that this increase aligns perfectly with humanity's increased reliance on fossil fuels. Nothing to see here, folks.


          What's wrong with skepticalscience? All their work is linked to peer-reviewed academic journals.

          It's absurd that you believe, through a variety of google searches, to have outsmarted tens of thousands of multi-disciplinary experts who have spent their entire adult lives studying the data.

          But then again, you don't even believe that global temperatures are even rising. Mind-boggling. The misinformation brigade has caught you hook, line and sinker.
          Last edited by Nilanka; Thu Jan 21, 2016, 09:42 AM.

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          • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
            They are expecting snow in Hong Kong. I bet they are wishing for some global warming right about now.
            Oh, and there's a difference between weather and climate.

            Climate models predict harsher extremes. Snow in Hong Kong is not evidence against climate change, despite what your buddy, Jim Inhofe, insists.

            Basic stuff that the deniers mess up all the time.

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            • lolz


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              • It's all a lie. Wake up Sheeple!


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                • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                  It's all a lie. Wake up Sheeple!
                  So, you are saying you dont believe this man?


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                  • He's my hero.

                    "Climate isn't changing cuz God dunnit"

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                    • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                      He's my hero.

                      "Climate isn't changing cuz God dunnit"
                      "Stop eating your sushi."
                      "I do actually have a pair of Uggs."
                      "I've had three cups of green tea tonight. I'm wired. I'm absolutely wired."
                      - Jack Armstrong

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                      • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                        It's all a lie. Wake up Sheeple!



                        What does satellite measurements state?

                        You know the most reliable measurements.

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                        • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                          They were shunned because of fraudulent findings, and improper scientific methods.

                          Cycles....riiiiiiiight. Atmospheric CO2 content increasing exponentially over a 50 year span....happens all the time. It's just a coincidence that this increase aligns perfectly with humanity's increased reliance on fossil fuels. Nothing to see here, folks.


                          What's wrong with skepticalscience? All their work is linked to peer-reviewed academic journals.

                          It's absurd that you believe, through a variety of google searches, to have outsmarted tens of thousands of multi-disciplinary experts who have spent their entire adult lives studying the data.

                          But then again, you don't even believe that global temperatures are even rising. Mind-boggling. The misinformation brigade has caught you hook, line and sinker.
                          Your pink.....

                          One of the links I put up explained how over half of the measurements used today are put through models.

                          It is ironic that the outputs of those models line up exactly with the increase in CO2.

                          However, what is really strange is how CO2 in the atmosphere is up 25% since the late 90s yet we are in the midst of a 19 year pause or hiatus on global warming.

                          There are a number of scientists who take the other side of the argument. That is a pathetic retort.

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                          • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                            Your pink.....

                            One of the links I put up explained how over half of the measurements used today are put through models.

                            It is ironic that the outputs of those models line up exactly with the increase in CO2.

                            However, what is really strange is how CO2 in the atmosphere is up 25% since the late 90s yet we are in the midst of a 19 year pause or hiatus on global warming.

                            There are a number of scientists who take the other side of the argument. That is a pathetic retort.
                            I could swear this has been discussed before?

                            As it seems to happen quite often, the two sides are not arguing about the same data/facts to answer... Is there warming or isnt there? Was there a pause or wasn't there? Was 2015 the hottest on record?

                            The following goes to the heart of your concerns re "data manipulation".

                            In brief, methodologies for data gathering and other scientific advancements continue thru the years. These advancements are applied. Some call the changed results as manipulation...others call it refining. All this "refining" or adjustments if you want to call it, I believe, is done independently by multiple independent groups of scientists. The intent is accuracy and application of the latest science.

                            To continue to debunk these efforts as somehow being borne out of some great world wide conspiratorial intent is really quite astounding.


                            Noaa’s historical observations were thrown out by unaccounted-for differences between the measurements taken by ships using buckets and ships using thermometers in their engine in-takes, the increased use of ocean buoys and a large increase in the number of land-based monitoring stations.

                            Science can only progress based on as much information as we have and what you see today is the most comprehensive assessment we can do based on all the information that’s been collected,” said Karl.

                            Schmidt called the new observations “state of the art” and said Nasa had been in discussions with Noaa about how to incorporate the findings into their own global temperature record.

                            Prof Michael Mann, whose analysis of the global temperature in the 1990s revolutionised the field, said the work underlined the conclusions of his own recent research.

                            They’ve sort of just confirmed what we already knew, there is no true ‘pause’ or ‘hiatus’ in warming,” he said. “To the extent that the study further drives home the fact ... that global warming continues unabated as we continue to burn fossil fuels and warm the planet, it is nonetheless a useful contribution to the literature.”

                            http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ed-study-finds

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                            • Bendit wrote: View Post
                              I could swear this has been discussed before?

                              As it seems to happen quite often, the two sides are not arguing about the same data/facts to answer... Is there warming or isnt there? Was there a pause or wasn't there? Was 2015 the hottest on record?

                              The following goes to the heart of your concerns re "data manipulation".

                              In brief, methodologies for data gathering and other scientific advancements continue thru the years. These advancements are applied. Some call the changed results as manipulation...others call it refining. All this "refining" or adjustments if you want to call it, I believe, is done independently by multiple independent groups of scientists. The intent is accuracy and application of the latest science.

                              To continue to debunk these efforts as somehow being borne out of some great world wide conspiratorial intent is really quite astounding.





                              http://www.theguardian.com/environme...ed-study-finds
                              That is fantastic stuff.

                              Meanwhile satellite has been measuring temperatures since 1979.

                              It is the best form of measurement.

                              It has shown a near 19 year pause.

                              Even IPCC has recognized the pause.

                              .....despite 25% increase in CO2.

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                              • mcHAPPY wrote: View Post
                                What does satellite measurements state?

                                You know the most reliable measurements.
                                Satellite measurements are not the gold standard.

                                And surprise, surprise, our good friend Roy Spencer is at the heart of this misinformation again.

                                http://www.theguardian.com/environme...global-warming

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