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RaptorsFohEva wrote: View PostLast I checked almost all teams were having problems with the real championship teams.
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And Chr1s1anL, do not mention Stokes.The name's Bond, James Bond.
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The bold was Bryan Colangelo's solution each year as well.
Over paying middling talent is a great way to really mess up any forward momentum.
Raps likely aren't winning a championship next season so why go all in for one?
The great part of this team is all of the core have anywhere from 3-10 years of their prime.
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostI'm not trying to be a dick... I"m really not..... but....
The bold was Bryan Colangelo's solution each year as well.
Over paying middling talent is a great way to really mess up any forward momentum.
Raps likely aren't winning a championship next season so why go all in for one?
The great part of this team is all of the core have anywhere from 3-10 years of their prime.
Lowry walks and we get nothing which could happen I am not that concerned but we then have 3 position we need to get help for. GV as a starter?
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People are talking about Stokes here like he's the second coming. We're talking about an UNDER SIZED PF here. And i gotta be honest i've never seen him play but according to his scouting report he played C in Tennessee. Great rebounder, double double machine. Guess what, just because he's a great rebounder/double double machine in college doesn't mean it's gonna translate in the NBA!! he's too SMALL. He's 6'8 for god's sake.
Thomas Robinson was a great rebounder/double double machine in college too. Had a GREAT career in Kansas. Very athletic, tenacious rebounder. Picked 5th overall by Sac a couple of years ago. Look at him now. He's in his 3rd team in 3yrs. 3rd big off the bench for Portland.
Btw, Robinson is 6'9. Stokes is 6'8.Mamba Mentality
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mcHAPPY wrote: View PostI'm not trying to be a dick... I"m really not..... but....
The bold was Bryan Colangelo's solution each year as well.
Over paying middling talent is a great way to really mess up any forward momentum.
Raps likely aren't winning a championship next season so why go all in for one?
The great part of this team is all of the core have anywhere from 3-10 years of their prime.
Going out and splurging on a Luol Deng or Trevor Ariza because Ross and DeRozan couldn't guard Joe Johnson would be incredibly short-sighted and foolish.
Draft a SF or get a cheap vet like Carter. Or maybe a cheap young guy like Aminu.
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imanshumpert wrote: View PostYup we need to focus on making smart, long-term moves. Tired of BC-era, swing for the fences on an average player only to screw the team over long-term (JO trade cost us Hibbert, Hedo signing killed our cap, etc)
Going out and splurging on a Luol Deng or Trevor Ariza because Ross and DeRozan couldn't guard Joe Johnson would be incredibly short-sighted and foolish.
Draft a SF or get a cheap vet like Carter. Or maybe a cheap young guy like Aminu."Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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Imo in that case you don't bring back Vasquez unless he's very cheap, and bottom out next season. That may or may not involve DeRozan as well. If you're Ujiri you're going to ask him if he can commit to another 2-3 bad seasons (to which he probably says no) then you flip him for assets as well. Same goes for Amir imo. Then we go into a rebuild with Ross and JV as some young pieces moving forwards as well as our picks.
It's not ideal, but the good thing about Lowry walking is that a lot of our guys have high value right now (particularly DeRozan), so bottoming out for a rebuild would be a solid contingency plan and wouldn't take as long as it would normally.
I don't think Lowry is leaving though.
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Lowry can primarily guard PGs, but you can also put him on some SGs.
DeRozan is at his best on SGs and definitely not a multi-position defender.
Ross is the best multi-position guard we have, and has been solid at times guarding everyone from PGs to average-sized SFs.
Amir can guard PFs and smaller Cs.
JV can guard Cs, but is also a one-position defender (very common in Cs).
Patterson can guard both stretch and post-up PFs adequately.
Vasquez isn't a great defender overall, but showed he can match up well against tall, slow PGs (Livingston). Overall he's a guy you need to hide on defense a bit.
To me, this screams out for a guy who can guard bigger SFs, but you don't want a guy who can guard bigger SFs and nothing else. Ideally, you want a three-position defender who overlaps a bit with Ross but doesn't totally duplicate him; someone who can guard slower SGs, SFs, and stretch 4s.
To me, Grant and Inglis are the two guys in this draft who should be available and potentially project to fit that need. KJ McDaniels projects to be a very good wing defender too, but I don't think he can be the large-SF/stretch 4 defender that Grant and Inglis could be. Using Grant as an example, your 8-man rotation would be based around these units:
Lowry-DeRozan-Ross-Amir-JV (standard starter unit)
Lowry-DeRozan-Grant-Amir-JV (good for if Ross isn't providing offense or is being put in a post-up situation against a bigger wing on defense)
Lowry-Ross-Grant-Amir-JV (top defensive unit with five good defenders, but scoring is an issue - might be better with Patterson + JV, or Amir + Patterson)
Lowry-Vasquez-DeRozan-Johnson-JV (exposes Lowry to taking fouls a bit as the only above-average perimeter defender, but Casey loves his two PG units)
Lowry-Vasquez-Grant-Johnson-JV (a little bit of offensive dropoff but protects Lowry and Vasquez a bit by pairing them with a large, versatile defender)
Vasquez-Ross-Grant-Amir-JV (Best unit for Vasquez, as he's paired with above-average defenders)
Lowry-DeRozan-Ross-Grant-Amir/JV (ultimate small-ball counter, with Lowry, Ross and Grant guarding the best wing player, hiding DeRozan, and then using the appropriate big. But it can also be a small-ball lineup on its own, with Grant guarding an opposing PF.)
Vasquez-DeRozan-Grant-Amir-JV (risky scoring unit with two weaker defenders)
Lowry-DeRozan-Ross-Patterson-Amir (two PF lineup, seemed to do well in playoffs in clutch but I'm not sold on this one; still, I expect to see more of it next year)
I don't list Patterson in any of the lineups above except the last, because he and Amir are similar-enough in role that I'd pretty-much need to duplicate the whole list to show both. In general though, it may make more sense to pair Grant with Patterson because Patterson provides the floor-spacing that Grant doesn't.
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Yabadabayolo wrote: View Postsimilar measurments as demar derozan. I would rather a big small forward like Jerami Grant
If he could become a capable shooter then I'd take him but his shooting form is messed up"Both teams played hard my man" - Sheed
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