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Scraptor wrote: View Post
This is the limiting factor I think… if Masai and Bobby are saving their chips for a real star (sorry Myles) then they may not want to outbid other teams for Turner. And I suspect a lot of teams would love to have Turner, guy is basically the perfect modern big aside from the spotty rebounding.
Like if the Hornets go hard at him then I don’t know if we will choose to get into a bidding war.
That said… what are the odds we can get a real star without trading a piece of the core? Slim to nil I would think. So there’s a lot to weigh.
I agree we won't get into a bidding war. But there may not be one. Centres are often undervalued.
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Scraptor wrote: View Post
Lol role cards, it’s the ghost of Dwane Casey everybody
It's important for NBA teams to communicate. Players need to know what coaches expect of them, and the coaches need to know that the players are all on the same page. And Toronto Raptors coach Dwane Casey has a system he uses to make sure his team's get off to a good start.
According to the Toronto Sun, Casey hands out "expectation cards" to his players before the start of each season. On those cards, Casey delineates what the coaching staff expects from a given player, his strengths in the eyes of the organization and how they fit into the overall structure.
Each player gets three copies of the card -- one for his agent, one for a loved one, and one for his locker. The redundancy protects against players claiming they lost their expectation card and are unclear about their roles.
Casey told the Sun that the cards can be amended as the team's situation changes, but that the key is to put things down in writing so that everyone understands each other.
"We had role cards in Minnesota (where he had his first stint as an NBA head coach), we did it in Seattle (where he worked for years as an assistant under George Karl and then alongside Nate McMillan), did it in Dallas (under Rick Carlisle). Everywhere I’ve gone, we’ve done it," Casey explained this week.
Casey said they started the process, but will wait until just before the start of the season “to get a true picture, to see what guys really can do and can’t do."
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Scraptor wrote: View Post
This is the limiting factor I think… if Masai and Bobby are saving their chips for a real star (sorry Myles) then they may not want to outbid other teams for Turner. And I suspect a lot of teams would love to have Turner, guy is basically the perfect modern big aside from the spotty rebounding.
Like if the Hornets go hard at him then I don’t know if we will choose to get into a bidding war.
That said… what are the odds we can get a real star without trading a piece of the core? Slim to nil I would think. So there’s a lot to weigh.
Right now it's drafting, developing and incremental trades to first get to that level. This potential Turner trade would fit that bill because he would improve the team without us having to give up the farm, would fill a position of need, and he's also young enough to be within his prime when our contention window re-opens.
Someone mentioned his value was like that of Serge when we got him from Orlando, and I agree. At the time we had a hole at the PF position, he filled it, helped maintain the team at the top of the conference, and allowed us to have the foundation to make a move for a bigger piece. Turner feels the same, both in terms of potential value/cost and also impact on the team (except now our hole is at C).
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Yuri Gagarin wrote: View PostAgree but why are C’s undervalued? As we’ve seen its not easy to get a QUALITY C. Each draft over the past several years seems like about 2 true C’s drafted in the first round.
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inthepaint wrote: View Post
The counter to the "saving for a real star' approach is that we're probably not at the stage where one would actually put us in real contention. I'd say we gotta first get to the level of the Lowry-Derozan prime years here (50+ wins routinely, top 3 seed etc..), then gear up for the final piece.
Right now it's drafting, developing and incremental trades to first get to that level. This potential Turner trade would fit that bill because he would improve the team without us having to give up the farm, would fill a position of need, and he's also young enough to be within his prime when our contention window re-opens.
Someone mentioned his value was like that of Serge when we got him from Orlando, and I agree. At the time we had a hole at the PF position, he filled it, helped maintain the team at the top of the conference, and allowed us to have the foundation to make a move for a bigger piece. Turner feels the same, both in terms of potential value/cost and also impact on the team (except now our hole is at C).
My only untouchables for turner are the starters and unprotected firsts. Those are the REAL assets for star hunting. Except scottie. He's just straight up untouchable in any deal.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Postbecause the top top top players haven't been centers for a LONG time and the game has changed. The value of the position is still there but slow plodding guys became a thing of the past very quickly.
AD is a big too he just doesn't think he is.
The death of the center has been greatly exaggerated.9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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inthepaint wrote: View Post
The counter to the "saving for a real star' approach is that we're probably not at the stage where one would actually put us in real contention. I'd say we gotta first get to the level of the Lowry-Derozan prime years here (50+ wins routinely, top 3 seed etc..), then gear up for the final piece.
Right now it's drafting, developing and incremental trades to first get to that level. This potential Turner trade would fit that bill because he would improve the team without us having to give up the farm, would fill a position of need, and he's also young enough to be within his prime when our contention window re-opens.
Someone mentioned his value was like that of Serge when we got him from Orlando, and I agree. At the time we had a hole at the PF position, he filled it, helped maintain the team at the top of the conference, and allowed us to have the foundation to make a move for a bigger piece. Turner feels the same, both in terms of potential value/cost and also impact on the team (except now our hole is at C).
Would getting Turner help us "maintain" the 7 to 11 seed? That's the worst place to be in the NBA, i.e., No Man's Land.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
ehh, I don't buy it. Jokic is top 5 all world and embiid is top 10. Then you got gobert, towns, bam somewhere in your top 30.
AD is a big too he just doesn't think he is.
The death of the center has been greatly exaggerated.
A team with a superstar C hasn't won in a long time.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
He basically asked for a trade lol.
Nurse will give him his opportunities for a larger offensive role. He has been doing it with Precious.
I think Turner is capable of more. On the Pacers, he is basically the other half of Sabonis. Sabonis is the offensive big, Turner takes care of his defensive deficiencies as best he can.
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A.I wrote: View Post
That isn't why they are undervalued. Its more because you can win with an average center who only rebounds and defends or in Lopez's case, shoots 3s and defends. Basically a C with a specific and limited role.
A team with a superstar C hasn't won in a long time.
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