2015 Raptors Offseason - Everything rumors, musings and rumblings

[Chr1s1anL]

I'll give you Lowry but JV meh.. NBA players don't even think his the 3rd best player on our team lol

[DanH]

I'll give you Lowry but JV meh.. NBA players don't even think his the 3rd best player on our team lol

JV's per possession fouls drawn are similar to DeMar's. He'd lose a bit with higher usage but he would certainly still get fouled a lot, and would do so without shooting 40% from the field.

[DanH]

You really don't think DD is going to have a good year in a contract year where his reportedly looking for 20+ mill. I'm under the believe this up coming year will be better than 13-14.

I believe he'll take a lot of shots, and score a lot of points. I believe his efficiency will be better than last year, possibly even close to or better than 2013-14, but will not be efficient (say, 55% TS%) enough to justify his usage.

[Chr1s1anL]

JV's per possession fouls drawn are similar to DeMar's. He'd lose a bit with higher usage but he would certainly still get fouled a lot, and would do so without shooting 40% from the field.

All I hear year long is how refs always hate on JV. Now his going to be able to make up the foul drawing "if" DD is traded lol

[JWash]

Its not as easy as you make it sound. There is a reason why the list of top 10 in free throws made and attempted usually same people every year. Its a skill that our All-star excels at. What are Lowry and JV's free throw numbers anyway?

DeMar 7.4 attempts/36

Lowry 4.7, JV 4.7

JV is almost as good as DD at getting to the line with a FT rate of 42.3% compared to DD's 43.8%.

DD's FTA are not needed. Divide his usage between JV mostly and the rest of the team with a 3+D SG and the team gets WAY better and more efficient.

[Bandit]

Its not as easy as you make it sound. There is a reason why the list of top 10 in free throws made and attempted usually same people every year. Its a skill that our All-star excels at. What are Lowry and JV's free throw numbers anyway?

It's also not as important as you make it sound

If you have to argue our allstar has value because he can rely on referees bailing him out, well then I don't want to be a part of that conversation because reason and logic have already left the building

[DanH]

Its not as easy as you make it sound. There is a reason why the list of top 10 in free throws made and attempted usually same people every year. Its a skill that our All-star excels at. What are Lowry and JV's free throw numbers anyway?

In James Harden's first 3 seasons, his FTA/36 floated around 5-6. How on earth did he end up with per 36's around 9-10 the last three years? Oh, right, he went to a different role (and team in this case), kept his free throw rate the same (free throws per FGA) and with his higher usage became a dominant free throw guy.

[JWash]

In James Harden's first 3 seasons, his FTA/36 floated around 5-6. How on earth did he end up with per 36's around 9-10 the last three years? Oh, right, he went to a different role (and team in this case), kept his free throw rate the same (free throws per FGA) and with his higher usage became a dominant free throw guy.

Yup JV is being held back right now. Ridiculously efficient in a role way too small for his talent. If he got all-star usage like DeMar does I think he'd have legit all-star production while also being efficient (DD is only able to do the former).

[Chr1s1anL]

It's also not as important as you make it sound

If you have to argue our allstar has value because he can rely on referees bailing him out, well then I don't want to be a part of that conversation because reason and logic have already left the building

So getting to the line is not important to basketball alright lol

[Bandit]

So getting to the line is not important to basketball alright lol

No, it isn't.

Scoring efficiently is important to baketball.

Would you rather get to the line like Harden or drain 3's like Curry?

End of the day doesn't matter, they both score efficiently (but the correct answer is definitely curry)

getting to the line is not important in and of itself. However if by getting to line you were uber efficient then awesome. Just like midrange shooting isn't inefficient in and of itself, but shooting 40% while doing it is inefficient.

[JWash]

No, it isn't.

Scoring efficiently is important to baketball.

Would you rather get to the line like Harden or drain 3's like Curry?

End of the day doesn't matter, they both score efficiently (but the correct answer is definitely curry)

This is a horrible comparison.

Harden and Curry both have TS% in the 60s they are both insanely efficient.

[Bandit]

This is a horrible comparison.

Harden and Curry both have TS% in the 60s they are both insanely efficient.

That's the point. They do it differently.

Getting to the line isn't automatically efficient. Not every team relies on it. It's being severely overrated from a team building perspective

[JWash]

That's the point. They do it differently.

Getting to the line isn't automatically efficient. Not every team relies on it. It's being severely overrated from a team building perspective

Actually it is automatically efficient lol.

It's when you combine getting to the line with iso-ball 20 footers that your offensive game becomes inefficient. But there is nothing inefficient about getting to the FT line as long as you can actually make them.

For example if DD got to the line every possession as an 80% FT shooter. That would be 1.6 points per possession or an offensive efficiency of 160 (which is absurd).

Problem is you can't actually do that and most of your possessions do not involve getting to the line. Harden supplements that with a good percentage on 3s and tons of shots at the rim. DD supplements it with iso mid-range Js.

But getting to the free throw line is ALWAYS efficient as long as you can make them, it is FREE POINTS. Not sure wtf you're on about to be honest bruv.

[Chr1s1anL]

In James Harden's first 3 seasons, his FTA/36 floated around 5-6. How on earth did he end up with per 36's around 9-10 the last three years? Oh, right, he went to a different role (and team in this case), kept his free throw rate the same (free throws per FGA) and with his higher usage became a dominant free throw guy.

Please lets not compare Harden's free throw ability to JV's. By using your eye test do you really see JV foul rate progressing like Harden's?

[Bandit]

Actually it is automatically efficient lol.

It's when you combine getting to the line with iso-ball 20 footers that your offensive game becomes inefficient. But there is nothing inefficient about getting to the FT line as long as you can actually make them.

For example if DD got to the line every possession as an 80% FT shooter. That would be 1.6 points per possession or an offensive efficiency of 160 (which is absurd).

Problem is you can't actually do that and most of your possessions do not involve getting to the line. Harden supplements that with a good percentage on 3s and tons of shots at the rim. DD supplements it with iso mid-range Js.

But getting to the free throw line is ALWAYS efficient as long as you can make them, it is FREE POINTS. Not sure wtf you're on about to be honest bruv.

Take away that aspect of Demar's game, how many times does he get to the line then? It's a much more complicated topic then what its being made out to be.

Sure on the surface you're happy anytime a good shooter ends up on the line, I concede that point. But how do you get on the line?

What isn't so great is that Demar gets to the line because of his awful mid range game. If he was the 4th or 5th option I would guarantee he doesn't get to the line like he does. He doesn't get to the line like Lou by being incredibly smooth, or like harden by being so clever.

He gets to the line by constantly hammering away contested shots and gets bailed out every 5 or so.

Also, as long as 40% free throw shooters exist, it isn't guaranteed efficiency