Anybody still have faith in Terrence Ross

[S.R.]

For his quallity of play he is too expensive trade him in the package for Shabazz Muhammad and Bennett. Lower cost for Muhammad same time of player but better on slashing to the basket, and more importantly Bennett gets a chance to replace Scola in the next four months.

Maybe Bennett is Thomas Robinson, but he is sure no Derrick Williams.

He's too expensive??? He's a 24 year old capable of nearly 40% from three and good D - he only cost the Raptors $2.8m last year and will cost $3.5m this year. Where the feck are you going to get three point shooting and perimeter D for that price?

The guy played on bone spurs last season, took the toughest matchup on D every night so we could coddle/hide DeMar and he NEVER COMPLAINED ONCE. Now he's being dropped to the bench and called a puss by fans.

[DogeLover1234]

He's too expensive??? He's a 24 year old capable of nearly 40% from three and good D - he only cost the Raptors $2.8m last year and will cost $3.5m this year. Where the feck are you going to get three point shooting and perimeter D for that price?

The guy played on bone spurs last season, took the toughest matchup on D every night so we could coddle/hide DeMar and he NEVER COMPLAINED ONCE. Now he's being dropped to the bench and called a puss by fans.

Ive probably been told this and just forgot, but did the team know he was playing with bone spurs during the season?

I agree with the sentiment that ross should become a lights out catch and shoot guy with a few counters. Be great comming off of screens and if possible up his iq a bit so that when he draws a lot of pressure or a rotation comes he can find the open guy. If he can do that with good defense he is a starting level wing for most teams.

[raptors999]

Ive probably been told this and just forgot, but did the team know he was playing with bone spurs during the season?

I agree with the sentiment that ross should become a lights out catch and shoot guy with a few counters. Be great comming off of screens and if possible up his iq a bit so that when he draws a lot of pressure or a rotation comes he can find the open guy. If he can do that with good defense he is a starting level wing for most teams.

If they did having him spend the season trying to get into the paint seems cruel

[raptors999]

Spurs like playing Green next to Cujo because the can shoot, likewise Mills next to Ginobilli. With Cojo a catch a shoot guard works. Although Raps had Ross drive playing next to Lowry for some bizarre reason

[Snooch]

Ross is very solid at catch and shoot from the three
Ross is very athletic
Ross is very solid at defending (has proven by being guarding the top offensive threat, and by guarding guys from Wall to Paul George. He is asked to guard some of the toughest guys in the league to defend and he does admirably, at least when he didnt have fragments of bone floating around in his ankle.)

Ross is also very good at running the lanes on the break, and running cuts.

Problem with the last 2 I listed is that the team sucks defensively and not able to run out very often, and the team has to let Demar to his usual continued Isolations for 20 plays plus a game and as a result we hardly run plays with guys cutting and curling. Certainly not even close to attempt to develop that part of Ross' game.

If we actually put the time in and got him good at catching and shooting off those, he would be a very valuable piece to a winning lineup with the 3 and d.

[JWash]

Ross is very solid at catch and shoot from the three
Ross is very athletic
Ross is very solid at defending (has proven by being guarding the top offensive threat, and by guarding guys from Wall to Paul George. He is asked to guard some of the toughest guys in the league to defend and he does admirably, at least when he didnt have fragments of bone floating around in his ankle.)

Ross is also very good at running the lanes on the break, and running cuts.

Problem with the last 2 I listed is that the team sucks defensively and not able to run out very often, and the team has to let Demar to his usual continued Isolations for 20 plays plus a game and as a result we hardly run plays with guys cutting and curling. Certainly not even close to attempt to develop that part of Ross' game.

If we actually put the time in and got him good at catching and shooting off those, he would be a very valuable piece to a winning lineup with the 3 and d.

Very easy to try and blame DeMar for everything. But NBA.com has a player tracking stat called time of possession, and DeRozan was only third (3.3 mins/game) on our team in the stat after Lowry (6.4) and Greivis (4.7). If you were to go by time of possession per 48, Vasquez would've led the team at 9.2min/game followed by Lowry (8.9) then Lou (5.1) and then DeRozan (4.5).

The problem is that the ball was in the hands of our playmaking guards way too much. Looking at that, per 48 minutes, they had the ball for 27.7 minutes, which is pretty ridiculous. Shows that our system featured very little movement, and primarily focused on isolating our guards or running pick and roll. It's not just on DeRozan.

Looking at points per touch though definitely tells you that our off-ball guys needed to be involved more:

Top 5 in PPT
Lou: 0.381
Ross: 0.377
DD: 0.348
JJ: 0.323
JV: 0.311

Ross and JV in particular were getting 0.9 and 1.1 minutes of possession per game, which is really low considering how much they played.

[Snooch]

Very easy to try and blame DeMar for everything. But NBA.com has a player tracking stat called time of possession, and DeRozan was only third (3.3 mins/game) on our team in the stat after Lowry (6.4) and Greivis (4.7). If you were to go by time of possession per 48, Vasquez would've led the team at 9.2min/game followed by Lowry (8.9) then Lou (5.1) and then DeRozan (4.5).

The problem is that the ball was in the hands of our playmaking guards way too much. Looking at that, per 48 minutes, they had the ball for 27.7 minutes, which is pretty ridiculous. Shows that our system featured very little movement, and primarily focused on isolating our guards or running pick and roll. It's not just on DeRozan.

Looking at points per touch though definitely tells you that our off-ball guys needed to be involved more:

Top 5 in PPT
Lou: 0.381
Ross: 0.377
DD: 0.348
JJ: 0.323
JV: 0.311

Ross and JV in particular were getting 0.9 and 1.1 minutes of possession per game, which is really low considering how much they played.

You do realize that Grevies and Lowry are the PGs, they are generally bringing the ball up the floor right?

[Pong]

Depends what your expectations are. I still have faith that he'll be a good role player because of his 3 shooting ability and defensive potential. He's not as young as everyone thinks and given his current abilities, his ceiling is basically a 3 and D role player (i.e. a poor man's wes matthews). He hasn't shown any dribble drive game and it doesn't look like that'll ever be part of his repertoire.

[Snooch]

Depends what your expectations are. I still have faith that he'll be a good role player because of his 3 shooting ability and defensive potential. He's not as young as everyone thinks and given his current abilities, his ceiling is basically a 3 and D role player (i.e. a poor man's wes matthews). He hasn't shown any dribble drive game and it doesn't look like that'll ever be part of his repertoire.

I can be.

Carroll couldn't do much at this point in his career, and he was 2 year older than Ross after year three, and now Carrol is one of the best 3 and d plyers in the league. Ross will learn from him. One of the biggest reasons I wanted to go get VC, was to teach Ross.

[Pong]

I can be.

Carroll couldn't do much at this point in his career, and he was 2 year older than Ross after year three, and now Carrol is one of the best 3 and d plyers in the league. Ross will learn from him. One of the biggest reasons I wanted to go get VC, was to teach Ross.

True that anyone can learn, but you're talking about 2 very different players. Carroll entered the league as a pf/sf guy who was more known for his slashing than shooting. His on court mentality is also very different than ross- he's always been a hardnosed player who plays with a chip on his shoulder. He also has the size to go into the paint and attack.

Ross is a SG who is known for his shooting and definitely not his slashing game. He also seems to struggle with confidence issues. Plus he's not as big as carroll (or dd) and hence attacking the rim isn't always the best option for him.

[distorsun]

This has been settled already . ENOUGH aleready about TRoss.
Ross = back up for a few years and then out of the league
CoJo = Back up PG for life (HE IS NOT A STARTER)
Bebe = ?? 7 footer with hands are very very rare
Bruno = we'll have a better idea after next year (right now, ceiling is maybe 2nd unit with very little usage)
Delon and Powell = bench warmers until they fire Casey's hick ass.

Colangelo went for the safe pick and picked Ross 8th overall over Drummond (picked 9th). Its clear then and now that nobody had Ross that high on the drafting board and he isn't nor wasn't a top 10 player (somewhere around 15th draft pick position was his true draft value and remains to be his true value when you compare to who got drafted in that draft). What Colangelo hoped for was to plug holes in the SG/SF backup role in the short term and hope Ross would be a steal in that position in the near future and elevate his game but in actuality he is what he was projected to be.

So in conclusion the people who lost faith in Terrence Ross are the people who had faith of him being a bonafide NBA starter and got disappointed that he wasn't. In the word's of Dennis Green epic rant "you wanna crown them?! then crown their ass!! but they are who we thought they were!!" Therefore I have no problem in Ross being a backup and I would caution that the same cautious attitude should be applied to Cory Joseph who some people already projected to be our future starter!

[Snooch]

True that anyone can learn, but you're talking about 2 very different players. Carroll entered the league as a pf/sf guy who was more known for his slashing than shooting. His on court mentality is also very different than ross- he's always been a hardnosed player who plays with a chip on his shoulder. He also has the size to go into the paint and attack.

Ross is a SG who is known for his shooting and definitely not his slashing game. He also seems to struggle with confidence issues. Plus he's not as big as carroll (or dd) and hence attacking the rim isn't always the best option for him.

I dont think he will ever be that type of guy, but he can get better and will.

He is a danny green type of player.

Roll off screens, keep moving without the ball, knock down open shots, defend

[JWash]

You do realize that Grevies and Lowry are the PGs, they are generally bringing the ball up the floor right?

Well aware that they are PGs. A backup PG in Vasquez should not be getting nearly as many minutes of possession per game (4.7) as arguably the best PG in the league in Curry (5.1). That tells you the ball did not move well on our team in general, so trying to lump all the poor ball movement issues on DeMar's back while not even acknowledging a huge systematic issue is kind of out of line.

[JWash]

My hope for Ross is to become a shooter/scorer off the bench in the same mold as J.R. Smith. His streaky play and poor basketball IQ are better suited to that role. If he's off you play him less, if he's on he can hit 5 or 6 threes and really boost your offense off the pine.

[GLF]

If we just used Ross like Danny Green, Kyle Korver, JJ Reddick etc are used he would look much better. We as an organization have to stop trying to make him be more like Demar and accept he's a catch and shoot guy and needs people to create for him. Run him off many screens and get him open for a catch and shoot shot. This thing of trying to make him handle the ball and slash is NOT going to work. He runs away from contact anyway, so if it isn't a straight line drive with no one there to contest he's probably going to miss whatever shot he throws up. Anytime he drives he makes the shot harder than it is because he always does some acrobatic thing to get away from contact. 3 and D is ALL he should be doing. But the coaching staff needs to figure out better ways of using him and getting him open that adheres to his strengths and not weaknesses (which are plenty)