Offseason Trade Proposal Thread

[3inthekeon]

PG13 for #9 + Carroll + Powell

Makes sense if Pacers going for a rebuild and PG doesnt wanna go through another rebuild again

What do you mean by rebuild and why would they do it?


They're not trading George.

Edit; And trading for Carroll, a 30 yr old owed $45 million, makes zero sense for a rebuilding team.

[LJ2]

If you are trading for PG, you have to send DeMar the other way. If DD is not your feature scoring option he really doesn't contribute in other ways which merit having him start.

[LJ2]

I think they sign DeMar to max which kills any idea of a star coming to Toronto. Not just because of the money but because DeMar on the roster only fits as a number one scoring option. If MU tries to add to this team it is likely in the supporting cast capacity. Another Carroll type signing at best. Maybe he consolidates some assets to move up in the draft if there is someone there he really likes that can play right away. Milsap fits nicely as well, though doesn't get us past CLE imo.

[DanH]

I think they sign DeMar to max which kills any idea of a star coming to Toronto. Not just because of the money but because DeMar on the roster only fits as a number one scoring option. If MU tries to add to this team it is likely in the supporting cast capacity. Another Carroll type signing at best. Maybe he consolidates some assets to move up in the draft if there is someone there he really likes that can play right away. Milsap fits nicely as well, though doesn't get us past CLE imo.

If the Raptors somehow end up signing or trading for a superstar, they could always trade DeMar. It closes no doors, except maybe cap room next summer. Although next summer with high prices might be the ideal time to move DeMar, for example in a sign and trade for said superstar.

[Quirk]

If the Raptors somehow end up signing or trading for a superstar, they could always trade DeMar. It closes no doors, except maybe cap room next summer. Although next summer with high prices might be the ideal time to move DeMar, for example in a sign and trade for said superstar.

This assumes there is a market for DeMar, who unless he makes another significant step forward in his development. will be an overpaid yet only slightly above replacement-value player.

If we sign DeMar to anywhere near a max deal, this means we keep DeMar and his salary for most of the duration of the contract.

[LJ2]

If the Raptors somehow end up signing or trading for a superstar, they could always trade DeMar. It closes no doors, except maybe cap room next summer. Although next summer with high prices might be the ideal time to move DeMar, for example in a sign and trade for said superstar.

Sure, but what I was trying to say is that it makes no sense to have both DeMar AND said super star. As long as DeMar is around, he is only useful as a primary scorer. Only super star he can play it would be with a big like Cousins or Howard, but I think the organization spent too much time on developing the culture risk bringing someone like that.

[LJ2]

I'm not sure where he would fit, but I would love to get Oladipo from Orlando. Not sure how it would work, but Ross in my eyes has made himself expendable. Oladipo, I think is a player that is ready to break out and make a name for himself. Probably the best time to buy low on him before Vogel gets his hands on him.

[DanH]

This assumes there is a market for DeMar, who unless he makes another significant step forward in his development. will be an overpaid yet only slightly above replacement-value player.

If we sign DeMar to anywhere near a max deal, this means we keep DeMar and his salary for most of the duration of the contract.

Why is that last statement true?

In summer 2017, big name guys will be getting 30-35M+ per year. DeMar's 25M might well seem like a bargain to teams that strike out.

[Gambino]

Why can't DeMar play next to another superstar? If anything wouldn't he play better since he wouldn't be guarded by the Paul Georges of the league?

[planetmars]

Why can't DeMar play next to another superstar? If anything wouldn't he play better since he wouldn't be guarded by the Paul Georges of the league?

He does already.. Lowry is a superstar.

[Barolt]

Why can't DeMar play next to another superstar? If anything wouldn't he play better since he wouldn't be guarded by the Paul Georges of the league?

It's the problem of one basketball.

There's only 90-100 possessions in any given basketball game.

We already want ~20-25 of those going to Lowry, and ~15-20 of those going to JV. That's 35-45 possessions. DeMar needs ~25-30 possessions to be effective. So now you're at 60-75 possessions, or 2/3 to 3/4 of all possessions.

You add a Durant or PG, another guy who wants 25-30 possessions, and there's none left for any guy on the team. So you start looking and saying who can we take possessions away from?

In a KL/JV/DD/(PG or KD) lineup, the least efficient scorer is DeMar. But he's also the least effective off-ball player. So you can't take his possessions away or you negate his impact, but he's the least efficient at using his possessions.

[Gambino]

That doesn't really make sense.

On the miracle chance you could get Durant or George. Why wouldn't they be #1 with DeRozan and JV as 2A and 2B? Lowry's getting older anyway and could act as a facilitator and maybe closer type player and just pace himself for the rest of the game.

Or even worst case DeRozan could play 30 minutes a game off the bench. Like how Manu moved to the bench for the Spurs.

[Bendit]

Earlier this year there were rumours that Larry Sanders (ex of the Bucks) was thinking of making a comeback. Guess he is missing the paychecks. Obviously he had an issue with the weed but he was a terrific defensive centre. Masai is good at reclamation projects ...why not attempt to get him at a lower cost (I would think) than what it would take to sign Bismack.

[Barolt]

That doesn't really make sense.

On the miracle chance you could get Durant or George. Why wouldn't they be #1 with DeRozan and JV as 2A and 2B? Lowry's getting older anyway and could act as a facilitator and maybe closer type player and just pace himself for the rest of the game.

Or even worst case DeRozan could play 30 minutes a game off the bench. Like how Manu moved to the bench for the Spurs.

But Lowry's still a more efficient scorer than DeMar, so is JV. The thing is... DeMar doesn't bring much to the table on possessions where the ball isn't in his hands. 46.9% eFG on catch and shoot opportunities.

So while JV, Lowry and the new superstar are all more efficient scorers, they would all have to sacrifice possessions to keep DeMar relevant. He's not in there for defensive impact, your new star, whether it's KD or PG, will have to be the hard-working wing on the defensive end.

It's a simple question of... what does DeMar bring to the table in that situation that DeMarre Carroll wouldn't?

[LJ2]

It's the problem of one basketball.

There's only 90-100 possessions in any given basketball game.

We already want ~20-25 of those going to Lowry, and ~15-20 of those going to JV. That's 35-45 possessions. DeMar needs ~25-30 possessions to be effective. So now you're at 60-75 possessions, or 2/3 to 3/4 of all possessions.

You add a Durant or PG, another guy who wants 25-30 possessions, and there's none left for any guy on the team. So you start looking and saying who can we take possessions away from?

In a KL/JV/DD/(PG or KD) lineup, the least efficient scorer is DeMar. But he's also the least effective off-ball player. So you can't take his possessions away or you negate his impact, but he's the least efficient at using his possessions.

Yeah, what he said