No. I had a love hate thing with derozan as a player. As a person i think hes super cool. But as a player he was anti-clutch. I remember about a year ago a rare game when he scored a last second game winner and the guy covering him said he made a big mistake leaving DD said DD will get that every time and they looked back and DD was 3/21 in the last 21 game winning shot chances. He fizzled in playoffs and was a big weak link defensively that would get exposed in the playoffs. Again nice guy but for that money this trade is amazing danny is a huge bonus. I miss Poetl more.
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Could we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now ?
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Nilanka wrote: View PostDon't think that OP is suggesting that this would be a bad trade without Danny.
But with Kawhi missing so many games (and still looking rusty), would we be having a harder time staying atop the standings if Danny wasn't around? I'd say the answer would be yes.
In any case, Green has been fantastic and is a welcome addition to the team. He reminds me a lot of what Anthony Parker brought to the team early on except he's a better player playing with better players.
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guyroch wrote: View PostCould we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now . I am not saying we would be screaming bloody murder but we wouldn't be so ecstatic .
And Derozan is doing in SA exactly what he did here, and guess what, they are falling fast.
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Superjudge wrote: View PostNot really. Toronto has an awesome player in Kawhi, he's a bit rusty (he missed a whole year) but mean, he shows pretty amazing glimpses.
And Derozan is doing in SA exactly what he did here, and guess what, they are falling fast.
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slaw wrote: View PostIt's hard to say, though. Without Green there would Wright have stepped up? Would Kawhi be sitting out as many games? Would Lowry be at the 2 more? Would FFV being with the starters more mean a better start? Would Miles have played better without Green pressing his minutes?
In any case, Green has been fantastic and is a welcome addition to the team. He reminds me a lot of what Anthony Parker brought to the team early on except he's a better player playing with better players.
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guyroch wrote: View PostCould we say that if Green wasn't part of the Deal the deal would be looking bad right now . I am not saying we would be screaming bloody murder but we wouldn't be so ecstatic .
Not giving up OG was not having to amputate your leg to make the above happen.
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If we had done the trade DanH and Barolt were suggesting we do leading up to it, which was something around DeMar+OG+1st for Kawhi and whatever contract works (not Green), it wouldn't look particularly great right now. We probably would be 3rd or 4th in the east and there would be a lot less optimism about Kawhi staying. Combine that with him missing games and people would be very upset about the trade.
The same trade without Green would have felt worse as well, but at least if Poeltl and not OG was going out you could accept it, since we wouldn't have dealt our highest value prospect (at the time, I think now it's Siakam) for 60-65 games of Kawhi (I think that's about how many he'll play this year).
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Shaolin Fantastic wrote: View Post...We probably would be 3rd or 4th in the east and there would be a lot less optimism about Kawhi staying. Combine that with him missing games and people would be very upset about the trade...
You are seriously ignoring the jump from the negative impact of DD's defensive problems to the positive impact of Kawhi's defensive positive impact.
Basketball is a game of "next man up." Not taking anything away from Green, but if he wasn't here, OG would be filling his role and probably having a bigger impact on the team than he is now. Not having Green doesn't cost the Raptors 4 games in the win column.
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