Reggie Suffers a Broken Foot

[tonious35]

This is a blessing in disguise. I'm not hating on Reggie but we shouldn't have been down by 22. Triano's insistence that the starting 5 start at the beginning of the 3rd quarter was so wrong. I think he should have pulled out Reggie quicker when the team was playing the Celts 4 on 5 on offense. I'm not worried about this especially if Amir gets to move to the starting line-up. Kleiza will be in the second unit as a PF and Peja at the 3. The trade works out after all. When Davis comes back, Reggie's absence will be mitigated. The team needed to stretch the floor and this is where Stojakovic comes in. Also, too many alley-oops tonight. Players were simply forgetting their man, especially the front court tandem of Bargs and Evans.

This isn't as bad as most people think. The team now gets to play 5 on 5 on offense. Too bad Weems and Demar had rough outings. It feels like they're 3 games away from losing their starting gigs.

Somewhat I have to agree, it allows us to see how Joe Dorsey and Ed Davis will measure up to this new workload. Dorsey knows this role and knows how to play it simple, and can throw down nasty poster dunks, which Reggie can't. Ed Davis and Alabi should still spend some time in the D-Leauges until they are ready in flow and confidence.

[South_Side_Jane]

That's what happens when you throw him in there for 30+ minutes a night.

dats the worst excuse ive heard

[Frankthetank]

Bargs didn't come out with enough intensity, he picked his intensity up as the game went along. That initial play of the celtics was rough and tumble and as the refs let them play was a big disadvantage to the raptors. Garnett was aloud to bump and hold andrea for the whole quarter while shaq and garnett were getting good low post position on the opposite end.
The worst call of the night was the charge shaq took on Andrea. He was inside the circle and was late on his rotation. That bold headed freak joey crawford is a terrible ref but some how the league puts him up on pedestal.
If the raps want to play with the celtics at their place they better play more physical for the whole game

[Buddahfan]

That's what happens when you throw him in there for 30+ minutes a night.

+1

[Balls of Steel]

as i said before, trade evans while he has value, after broken foot he has practically NO value now.

That's what happens when you throw him in there for 30+ minutes a night.

[South_Side_Jane]

Couple of things:

1. This is a big blow to the Raps' ability to make a deadline deal. Reggie was their biggest asset as an affordable expiring deal AND a player that could genuinely help a playoff team looking for some rebounding help as a 4th big. That value is gone now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the raps hang onto him and try to sign him to a cheap contract in the offseason now, then used as a mentor type player for Amir and Davis.

2. Rebounding IS important, and the player likely to miss Reggie the most is Andrea Bargnani. Without Reggie in the lineup, Andrea is going to work much harder on the defensive glass. It'll be interesting to see if that saps his energy and translates to other areas of his game.

+1

ive been saying this since day 1 wen i got here which was 2 weeks ago, everyone thought i was wrong how we shouldnt trade evans, now we got evans in street clothes for 5 mil wen we could've got a young talented player in return.

[South_Side_Jane]

as i said before, trade evans while he has value, after broken foot he has practically NO value now.

[Buddahfan]

If our offense was better then we wouldn't need so many offensive rebounds to win. So yeah, I would say rebounding is kinda important.

More importantly, no one's talking about Reggie's plummeted trade value. If he's out for a loooong time then he's stuck here till the end of the year.

Other teams are not stupid, well maybe the Clippers

They know that Reggie's rebounding numbers are inflated.

Not that Reggie is not a good rebounder, he is.

However it does not make up for his other deficiencies.

Reggie has developed a big "cult following" among Raptors fans and I am happy for him.

However, his overall skill level and horrible lack of skill offense, other than his offensive rebounding and despite some occasional nice interior passing reduces his market value even with his rebounding. In addition his overall defense is just average.

Reggieites will always love him and good for him, however his trade value was not much before the injury though I will agree that it is a lot less now with him having a second serious foot related injury in two seasons and his age of 30.

[Hassan]

when is davis coming back

[Employee]

If our offense was better then we wouldn't need so many offensive rebounds to win. So yeah, I would say rebounding is kinda important.

More importantly, no one's talking about Reggie's plummeted trade value. If he's out for a loooong time then he's stuck here till the end of the year.

[black angus]

Rebounding is way over rated.

It is important but shooting and scoring are more important.

Of course scoring is most important - as it is in every sport where the team with the most points wins. However, next to scoring rebounding is usually the most telling stat in basketball. The team with more rebounds wins!

[Balls of Steel]

You're an idiot. A Big one.

This comment was way out of line. The truth is, the Raps have been out rebounded in the past. It is the stat that most of us desire prior to Reggie's arrival. When we had Kapono, the team was perceived as soft and BC made appropriate changes. I'm not discounting Reggie's impact.

They out rebounded the Celts and still lost the game.

Playing 4 against five on offense in their home court gave way to a 22-point deficit.

They also lost because the wings (Weems and Derozan) struggled.

They lost because the bigs were allowed to roam for alley-oops that shifted the momentum back to the Celts.

More importantly, we lost because the Celts played great defence. Bargs was shut down because he was not allowed to get the ball.

It was only when Triano started to mix up defensive schemes late in the game where the Celts got confused. More importantly, when he decided to put shooters in the game to spread the floor that the deficit was cut to as close to 6.

Coaching was partly to blame here. The Lakers game (although resulting in a loss), was coached better due to changes in the defensive schemes on a per possession basis. At the beginning of the third quarter of this game, the deficit was allowed by Triano to creep up to double digits without a time-out or a substitution until it was tool late. I partly blame the coach as well.

Could we have won this game? Probably not. However, for a team that is 5th in the league in defense (the Celts) while at HOME, we could've made it closer and much more difficult for them.

[mcHAPPY]

Did anyone see Bargs knock Shaq flat on his ass or was I dreaming?
Did anyone see Garnett complaining about Bargs pushing him around during the toss up the refs had to come and seperate Bargs from pushing Garnett who was mouthing off to the refs
that big bad Bargs was playing unfair, while Bargs never said a word but spoke with action.
Shaq did not call Bargs a woman like Bosh.

I submit the character of this team has changed for ever.
Just because Bargs is a quiet giant people assume he is not tuff enough.
Man he gave Shaq and Garnett all they could handle thank you very much, Bargs.
They played tuff, ruff, mean, and scared the Celtics so bad they had to bring their A game
to make sure they won at all costs.

But did they win, on the score board yes but Bargs took horrible shots that no one could hit
he was juiced. So let say Bargs scores his usual the score would have been 115 - for Raps
because Peja, Kleiza, The BLUR, Jose, Amir, all shot great.
If Baby Davis does not save there 2nd shift, the Raps win easy.

I would like to start a new post for the people who complain about Bargs rebounding.

SHUT UP is my headlines for many a player has been ruined by trying to change what people want them to be Bargs is Bargs he has been reading what we say HELLO he
has an ego folks so what happened to the GREATEST 7 FOOT THREE POINT SHOOTER WE HAVE EVER HAD HE WONT SHOOT THE THREE ANYMORE SO NOW THEY SAY HEY WHY WONT YOU SHOOT THE THREE ANYMORE.

Leave him alone all you who do not appreciate what we have.
All over the league they are talking about Bargs and how to stop him the other teams
set their defences and best players on him.
In T O we complain he can not rebound.
SHUT UP
The experts said Raptors are worst team in the league.
Make them eat their words GUYS !!

A little bit of a rant there but I'll agree Bargnani did not back down which is more than we can say for past Raptors players.

However when Shaq has 16/9, Garnett 26/11, and Davis 18/3 I do not think he is the stud your post makes him out to be (nor the rest of the TOR bigs).

Personally I was impressed with the effort as he did not quit despite a poor shooting night.

[elvispelvis]

Bargs fights Shaq and Garnett

Did anyone see Bargs knock Shaq flat on his ass or was I dreaming?
Did anyone see Garnett complaining about Bargs pushing him around during the toss up the refs had to come and seperate Bargs from pushing Garnett who was mouthing off to the refs
that big bad Bargs was playing unfair, while Bargs never said a word but spoke with action.
Shaq did not call Bargs a woman like Bosh.

I submit the character of this team has changed for ever.
Just because Bargs is a quiet giant people assume he is not tuff enough.
Man he gave Shaq and Garnett all they could handle thank you very much, Bargs.
They played tuff, ruff, mean, and scared the Celtics so bad they had to bring their A game
to make sure they won at all costs.

But did they win, on the score board yes but Bargs took horrible shots that no one could hit
he was juiced. So let say Bargs scores his usual the score would have been 115 - for Raps
because Peja, Kleiza, The BLUR, Jose, Amir, all shot great.
If Baby Davis does not save there 2nd shift, the Raps win easy.

I would like to start a new post for the people who complain about Bargs rebounding.

SHUT UP is my headlines for many a player has been ruined by trying to change what people want them to be Bargs is Bargs he has been reading what we say HELLO he
has an ego folks so what happened to the GREATEST 7 FOOT THREE POINT SHOOTER WE HAVE EVER HAD HE WONT SHOOT THE THREE ANYMORE SO NOW THEY SAY HEY WHY WONT YOU SHOOT THE THREE ANYMORE.

Leave him alone all you who do not appreciate what we have.
All over the league they are talking about Bargs and how to stop him the other teams
set their defences and best players on him.
In T O we complain he can not rebound.
SHUT UP
The experts said Raptors are worst team in the league.
Make them eat their words GUYS !!

[Nine New Faces]

Couple of things:

1. This is a big blow to the Raps' ability to make a deadline deal. Reggie was their biggest asset as an affordable expiring deal AND a player that could genuinely help a playoff team looking for some rebounding help as a 4th big. That value is gone now. I wouldn't be surprised to see the raps hang onto him and try to sign him to a cheap contract in the offseason now, then used as a mentor type player for Amir and Davis.

2. Rebounding IS important, and the player likely to miss Reggie the most is Andrea Bargnani. Without Reggie in the lineup, Andrea is going to work much harder on the defensive glass. It'll be interesting to see if that saps his energy and translates to other areas of his game.