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The Great One wrote: View Post
So what's your new narrative?
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i'm gonna get flamed for it but he's starting to look like the better long-term option to pair with scottie than pascal to me.
he's a better shooter, he can play off ball (where he should be most of the time when paired with scottie), he's a better playmaker as a pick and roll handler and drive and kick option when he does have the ball, and can also handle the pressure that scottie currently can't as a ball handler (i.e the peyton pritchard and davion mitchell backcourt pressure we've seen recently).
i also think i'd rather pay fred in the ballpark of 30M than pascal in the neighborhood of 50M. plus pascal would fetch a shit-ton more on the trade market
scottie is currently relegated to a bystander when pascal has the ball, and something has to give if he's going to reach his potential sooner rather than later. most on here think the problem is fred, but pascal uses way more possessions and occupies the same spaces on the court that scottie is most effective from.
all this is contingent on fred's health and being able to regain his form defensively from previous years, when he was one of the best at his position, as well as being willing to hand the reigns over to scottie. if he's not willing to do that then he can go too.
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chris wrote: View Posti'm gonna get flamed for it but he's starting to look like the better long-term option to pair with scottie than pascal to me.
he's a better shooter, he can play off ball (where he should be most of the time when paired with scottie), he's a better playmaker as a pick and roll handler and drive and kick option when he does have the ball, and can also handle the pressure that scottie currently can't as a ball handler (i.e the peyton pritchard and davion mitchell backcourt pressure we've seen recently).
i also think i'd rather pay fred in the ballpark of 30M than pascal in the neighborhood of 50M. plus pascal would fetch a shit-ton more on the trade market
scottie is currently relegated to a bystander when pascal has the ball, and something has to give if he's going to reach his potential sooner rather than later. most on here think the problem is fred, but pascal uses way more possessions and occupies the same spaces on the court that scottie is most effective from.
all this is contingent on fred's health and being able to regain his form defensively from previous years, when he was one of the best at his position, as well as being willing to hand the reigns over to scottie. if he's not willing to do that then he can go too.
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Maury wrote: View Post
Not a bad take at all, although the hope would be to somehow get Scottie and Pascal to work off each other more fluidly, that would raise the ceiling of this team a lot more than FVV and Scottie as a duo would.
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LJ2 wrote: View PostWhat is the right price for Fred? I keep hearing the unconfirmed rumors that he wants something along the lines of what Tyler Herron got. Isn't around $30M per kinda good with the cap going up for a 21 & 7 guard?
I understand Fred’s thoughts if that’s what he’s looking for. He’s had a dreadful season but in his mind he’s one season removed from an allstar game, still relatively young in NBA years, the vocal leader of the team and is playing hurt in a season where the whole team is bad
I’d love to see him back with the team but if I’m paying 30m for a player I want that player being one of the main catalysts of the team and I don’t think Fred should be at this point so it’s tough
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chris wrote: View Posti'm gonna get flamed for it but he's starting to look like the better long-term option to pair with scottie than pascal to me.
he's a better shooter, he can play off ball (where he should be most of the time when paired with scottie), he's a better playmaker as a pick and roll handler and drive and kick option when he does have the ball, and can also handle the pressure that scottie currently can't as a ball handler (i.e the peyton pritchard and davion mitchell backcourt pressure we've seen recently).
i also think i'd rather pay fred in the ballpark of 30M than pascal in the neighborhood of 50M. plus pascal would fetch a shit-ton more on the trade market
scottie is currently relegated to a bystander when pascal has the ball, and something has to give if he's going to reach his potential sooner rather than later. most on here think the problem is fred, but pascal uses way more possessions and occupies the same spaces on the court that scottie is most effective from.
all this is contingent on fred's health and being able to regain his form defensively from previous years, when he was one of the best at his position, as well as being willing to hand the reigns over to scottie. if he's not willing to do that then he can go too.
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Bonus Jonas wrote: View PostEveryone agrees that at the right price they’d want to keep Fred right?
Like no one is actually at the point where they flat out want him off the team
His offense has been better lately but virtually every game or 2 out of 3 you see the opposing PG who is going to burn him off the bounce. Look no further than the guards we'll likely face in the post season and tell me who he's clearly better than on a series long basis. And Fred is only going to get even slower over the term of his next contract.
Time to move on, thanks for the memories....sell high.
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Bonus Jonas wrote: View PostEveryone agrees that at the right price they’d want to keep Fred right?
Like no one is actually at the point where they flat out want him off the team
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G__Deane wrote: View Post
The right price is lower than he'd accept.
His offense has been better lately but virtually every game or 2 out of 3 you see the opposing PG who is going to burn him off the bounce. Look no further than the guards we'll likely face in the post season and tell me who he's clearly better than on a series long basis. And Fred is only going to get even slower over the term of his next contract.
Time to move on, thanks for the memories....sell high.
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Bonus Jonas wrote: View PostEveryone agrees that at the right price they’d want to keep Fred right?
Like no one is actually at the point where they flat out want him off the team
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chris wrote: View Post
that's what i used to think. but i think the long-term outlook of this team is contingent on maxing out scottie's potential, and i think the best way to optimize scottie is to give him the ball and surround him with shooters and finishers. a lineup of fred (shooter), gary (shooter), OG (shooter and finisher), and precious (finisher) makes a lot more sense to me than one with pascal in it at the expense of one of the shooters, especially considering how much pascal has the ball in his hands.
Fred refuses to be an off ball shooter. He was blaming his poor play on that to any media person who would interview him. Fred and Scottie cannot coexist in the same starting lineup.
Fred off the bench would be cool but he wants $30M+ per year and won't come off the bench. Time to deal him.
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Primer wrote: View Post
Fred and Gary aren't letting Scottie have the ball in his hands. That's the problem.
Fred refuses to be an off ball shooter. He was blaming his poor play on that to any media person who would interview him. Fred and Scottie cannot coexist in the same starting lineup.
Fred off the bench would be cool but he wants $30M+ per year and won't come off the bench. Time to deal him.
I get the argument for Gary staying because of his age but You gotta get one to boost barnes usage it also helps og as well to be fair who wants a higher usage role.
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