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Raps: Ilyasova
Bucks: Bargnani, Chandler
Nuggets: Mbah a Moute
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I don't like this deal because I don't think it makes us much better. Basically, your trading one stretch four who's big enough for the position for another stretch four who shoots better but is likely to get pushed around. We don't have room at the 3 for him and I don't see him as an upgrade at the four. Basically it seems like a lateral deal. I'm actually for keeping Bargs until the summer to see how he meshes with this squad then going from there."Victory at all costs, victory in spite of all terror, victory however long and hard the road may be; for without victory, there is no survival."
-Churchill
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MikeToronto wrote: View PostWhy do you guys consider Ilyasova a small forward? With his ability to rebound and shoot, I can easily see him playing 4 on a regular basis, especially in today's NBA of smaller, more mobile front court players. Yes, he doesn't have a well-developed back-to-the-basket game, but what of it?
To conclude i would be down to do this, i think this helps the team."Defense wins championships."
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planetmars wrote: View PostI never realized how close Ilyasova is to Millsap in stats (including advanced stats). Really surprised me actually.
I'm actually all for Ersan now. Would have said no before you pointed this out. He is excellent production for his contract. Millsap would be at least worth $11M and that's not even a given considering he's a free agent."Defense wins championships."
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The one thing that worries me about the wait and see approach with Bargs, is that he was getting booed in his first home game back....and really, why? That's a terrible sign. You can't keep running out a player who might be a target for booing on your homecourt for 30 games. That isn't good for anybody, and it can't help his value (even if I don't know if it would hurt it). From a roster evaluation standpoint I'm all for it, but I'm not sure BC will have that luxury.
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SuperRaptor wrote: View PostAm i missing something? Im not understanding the obsession with getting millsap. He is a free agent next year, why give up something for him when we can sign him in the offseason for free? In fact we would be taking needless risk as he could walk at the end of the year and we gave up a significant asset for nothing...A wise man once said: F*ck Brooklyn!
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GoldenBaller wrote: View PostBargnani has a hefty contract for his current role on the team, he'd be put to much better use on another team instead IMO."Defense wins championships."
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AJ360 wrote: View PostThat was Amir's rookie weight, it's just never been updated on NBA.com"Defense wins championships."
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Matt52 wrote: View PostThat is the thing though. I think Ilyasova is better than Bargnani..... shhhh! Don't tell Milwaukee though.
http://espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=bl3zt72Last edited by white men can't jump; Mon Feb 11, 2013, 08:13 PM.
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hateslosing wrote: View PostI don't like this deal because I don't think it makes us much better. Basically, your trading one stretch four who's big enough for the position for another stretch four who shoots better but is likely to get pushed around. We don't have room at the 3 for him and I don't see him as an upgrade at the four. Basically it seems like a lateral deal. I'm actually for keeping Bargs until the summer to see how he meshes with this squad then going from there.
Also, lets look at offensive ratings this year and career:
Player/OffRtg '12-13/Career
Bargnani/96/103
Ilyasova/113/110
And defensive ratings this year and career:
Bargnani/109/111
Ilyasova/103/103
And WS/48:
Bargnani: -0.151
Ilyasova: +0.20
And WP:
Bargnani: -2.3
Ilyasova: +5.0
And all this talk of Bargnani being a stretch 4:
Bargnani 3pt % last two seasons: .306 and .296 with 1.3 and 1.1 made on 4.3 and 3.7 attempts
Ilyasova 3pt % last two seasons:.442 and .455 with 1.1 and 0.9 made on 1.9 and 2.6 attempts
And contract status:
Bargnani: $11M and $12M next 2 years.
Ilyasova: $7.9M, $7.9M, and $7.9M with $8.4 option ($400k guaranteed) over next 4 seasons
And finally age:
Bargnani 28 to start next season
Ilyasova 26 to start next season
I don't see a single area that I would prefer Bargnani over Ilyasova. From production to age to contract, give me some Ilyasova.
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