No man's land. How do you get out of it?

[psrs1]

Didn't think it deserved it's own thread, but thought this should be seen. Here it is:

Records & efficiency in games played between teams that are currently over .500. 4 games within this group tonight: pic.twitter.com/0cYQKHZs7J

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) November 27, 2015

Raptors are currently tied with Golden State for the most wins (5) against teams with a record over .500, and have the third best winning percentage in such games (behind San Antonio and GS obviously) at .714.

What about vs sub .500 teams? We let up ...that's why we are not a really good team.

[psrs1]

I would disagree that Toronto is in "no man's land" and I don't want to get into the treadmill/tank debate but Ujiri isn't going to blow up a team that has won 48 and 49 games (and will win about that again) and will make the playoffs three years straight. It isn't going to happen. He didn't sign Carroll, JV, Joseph and try to sign Aldridge cause he wants to rebuild. This trade Lowry and Derozan nonsense is fantasy land stuff. It isn't happening.

What would you suggest to get over the hump ? I.e. Past the first round.

[special1]

No man's land. How do you get out of it?

I think no man's land should be teams not good enough to make the playoffs and not bad enough to get a top pick.

Having said the above.... Is Philly actually in no man's land?? When will they ever win again?

They need some vets on that team. Yes, they may win a few more games with vets, but the young guys are developing in a losing culture. They're breaking records for consecutive losses.....Yikes. Now that's no man's land!

Nobody wants to be where they're at. It looks like all the losing is finally having its toll. If I'm a player on that team, I get out of that situation as soon as it's possible.


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[KHD]

24 and 7.

#RespectTheRecord
#ProveEm

[DanH]

But those wins don't count man because the other team wasn't trying or they were tired or they had injuries or the Raps just got lucky or Saturn was in it's Taurus phase or something. But can you believe they lost 2 of those games!? God the Raptors suck. Terrible.

24 and 7.

[charlesnba23]

My take:

(1) Get a true superstar, a proven #1 or #2 option who can carry the burden of a team - Lowry is there, but he can't do it alone. Ideally this person is a wing (2 or 3).

(2) DeRozan needs to go (UNLESS we can sign him for a non-max salary AND we bring in a coach who can keep his inefficient game and poor decision making in check). He's not a #1 or #2 option player.

(3) KEEP LOWRY AT ALL COSTS - elite PG's are essential in today's NBA and he is one of them

(4) Fire Casey - hire a good coach

Everything else is just minor tweaking.

I would not resign DeMar in any case. Like the guy and the player but he should not be part of the long term plan. I would add find a legit starting PF who is not 35 years old.

[A.I]

Golden State's numbers, holy shit. That's against winning teams.

The Warriors are on another level of winning.

[CNinja26]

My take:

(1) Get a true superstar, a proven #1 or #2 option who can carry the burden of a team - Lowry is there, but he can't do it alone. Ideally this person is a wing (2 or 3).

(2) DeRozan needs to go (UNLESS we can sign him for a non-max salary AND we bring in a coach who can keep his inefficient game and poor decision making in check). He's not a #1 or #2 option player.

(3) KEEP LOWRY AT ALL COSTS - elite PG's are essential in today's NBA and he is one of them

(4) Fire Casey - hire a good coach

Everything else is just minor tweaking.

[S.R.]

Didn't think it deserved it's own thread, but thought this should be seen. Here it is:

Records & efficiency in games played between teams that are currently over .500. 4 games within this group tonight: pic.twitter.com/0cYQKHZs7J

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) November 27, 2015

Raptors are currently tied with Golden State for the most wins (5) against teams with a record over .500, and have the third best winning percentage in such games (behind San Antonio and GS obviously) at .714.

Golden State's numbers, holy shit. That's against winning teams.

[slaw]

Raptors are currently tied with Golden State for the most wins (5) against teams with a record over .500, and have the third best winning percentage in such games (behind San Antonio and GS obviously) at .714.

But those wins don't count man because the other team wasn't trying or they were tired or they had injuries or the Raps just got lucky or Saturn was in it's Taurus phase or something. But can you believe they lost 2 of those games!? God the Raptors suck. Terrible.

[Shantz]

Didn't think it deserved it's own thread, but thought this should be seen. Here it is:

Records & efficiency in games played between teams that are currently over .500. 4 games within this group tonight: pic.twitter.com/0cYQKHZs7J

— John Schuhmann (@johnschuhmann) November 27, 2015

Raptors are currently tied with Golden State for the most wins (5) against teams with a record over .500, and have the third best winning percentage in such games (behind San Antonio and GS obviously) at .714.

[rightsideup]

Without a doubt resigning DD will be a big concern for MU. He has on a smaller scale let people walk as in the case with Lou. Lou wanted to be here but did not help our perimeter defense issues. We have extended Ross which may prove to be a mistake. It will be interesting to see what type of money demar is expecting. Also Amir was allowed to walk and mainly I think it had to do with his health going forward. MU is capable of making good choices.

[Uncle_Si]

we are in a real pickle with DD.

Sure, right now we go iso DD too much, but let's not forget this team actually talks about not having an offensive system. They have plays that they run but it's sporadic and not part of a system.

The pickle is, we don't know how DD would perform in a real system. Look at the coaches we've had since we got DeMar. As much as DeMar is guilty of trying to be Kobe lite, it's not like he's ever had to change his play or be held accountable for it.

So, do you let him go and give up? Or do you sign him and a new coach and see how things play out? It's a misjudgment in my opinion by Masai, and one that could potentially come back and bite him in the ass whether we sign DD or not.

[slaw]

I want to say i appreciate you certainty, but alas, I cannot.

Lowry I can agree with, but in no way does keepeing demar make us a bettter team. I am not going into that debate again, but if you search it you will find about a billion results as to why keeping Demar is a pisspoor idea that does nothing to benefit this team as it is now being constructed.

I'm not making a normative judgment about keeping or trading either of them. I'm just stating the obvious: Ujiri isn't trading either guy. It isn't going to happen. Should he? That's another question entirely.

[golden]

Can we really call it a "trend" if it only happened once? It certainly didn't happen for Nash

True, enough. Melo went home, as did Aldridge (sort of). T-Mac, of course. But you're right, there always seems to be way more 'chatter' about FAs going home than actually doing it (Bosh, Dwight, CP3, Draymond, D-Will, and Nash - thank god to name a few). Money talks the loudest, with the extra year of security that the current team can offer trumping almost anything else. Best chance to win a chip is also a big factor.

But, hey, we got CoJo! And Bennett, lol. That's a start.