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Just to add on a bit to that image I posted: after timeout situations tend to favor defenses, that's why you can see from the chart that the teams' points scored per possession are much lower than they are throughout the course of the game. That is also why people think that Casey is bad at drawing up plays out of timeouts, because they don't lead to baskets as often as plays in the flow of the game (but that is true for every coach in the NBA).
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Axel wrote: View PostLast year is a great example, all year long the Raps trotted out a long expired Scola and Casey seemed to have dug his heels in on that issue despite the wealth of information. Then as soon as the playoffs started it's like, 'ok, bench this man'. He has shown the ability to make the right decision but he has also shown the ability to completely ignore problems. He is truly infuriating at times but his playoff decision making was noticeably better, so hopefully it carries over into this season.
And to be fair, it's not like Patterson was lighting the world on fire in his brief stints with the starting unit.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI'm no Casey apologist, but I if remember correctly, Scola's minutes were on a steady decline as the season wore on. That tells me that Casey understood the problem, but for whatever reason, thought that disrupting the rotation would have a worse effect? *shrug*
And to be fair, it's not like Patterson was lighting the world on fire in his brief stints with the starting unit.
Nov 24.0 mpg
Dec 25.2 mpg
Jan 20.8 mpg
Feb 17.7 mpg
Mar 20.7 mpg
Season avg 21.5 mpg
Playoffs 12.7 mpg
Draw your own conclusions.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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While I was looking for more data came across an article on After Timeout Offense from BBallBreakdown. Talked a bit about Casey and the Raps
Check out this ATO from Dwane Casey – notice anything strange?
That’s right! Casey had only four players stationed in the frontcourt for a go-ahead possession.
Most coaches will resort to this strategy to clear space in the backcourt when leading, simply to help get the ball in-bounds. Here Casey has shifted a spare player into the backcourt to give Demar Derozen more room to operate off his curl action. Importantly, this extends the range of help for the sole weak-side defender, eventually revealing a wide-open corner three for Corey Joseph. The lack of a fifth defender makes any subsequent help-rotate-recover response near impossible. Essentially a hammer play without the flare screen. Very innovative stuff.
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Nilanka wrote: View PostI'm no Casey apologist, but I if remember correctly, Scola's minutes were on a steady decline as the season wore on. That tells me that Casey understood the problem, but for whatever reason, thought that disrupting the rotation would have a worse effect? *shrug*
And to be fair, it's not like Patterson was lighting the world on fire in his brief stints with the starting unit.
But look at this (4-man units used because of the rotating door at SF) from last season:
4-man unit: Lowry-DeRozan-Scola-JV: 103.2 ORTG, 108.1 DRTG, -4.9 RTG
4-man unit: Lowry-DeRozan-Patterson-JV: 127.4 ORTG, 107.9 DRTG, +19.5 RTG
A 127 ORTG is pretty much by definition lighting the world on fire. That's no small sample size either - that 4-some had 250+ minutes played together.
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I just don't really see how you can say the guy isn't a good tactician when he has almost 40 years of coaching experience at the collegiate and professional level. Was integral to an NBA Championship winning staff in Dallas, and since he actually got a good roster in Toronto has consistently had the team near the top of the conference including a playoff run last year to the ECF despite the top two stars being complete no-shows offensively.
Like there's a lot more to that than just "pound the rock" and hair-dryers.
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LeBron on ACC: "It reminds you of a soccer stadium because the fans never stop chanting. They definitely have a great home court advantage"
— Josh Lewenberg (@JLew1050) October 28, 2016
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Lupe wrote: View PostI just don't really see how you can say the guy isn't a good tactician when he has almost 40 years of coaching experience at the collegiate and professional level. Was integral to an NBA Championship winning staff in Dallas, and since he actually got a good roster in Toronto has consistently had the team near the top of the conference including a playoff run last year to the ECF despite the top two stars being complete no-shows offensively.
Like there's a lot more to that than just "pound the rock" and hair-dryers.
The Championship staff was also led by one of the best coaches in the league and had a veteran roster.
So while both are interesting points, neither specifically speak to tactical acumen.Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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DanH wrote: View PostDepends how you measure "lighting the world on fire." Individually, with his shooting? No.
But look at this (4-man units used because of the rotating door at SF) from last season:
4-man unit: Lowry-DeRozan-Scola-JV: 103.2 ORTG, 108.1 DRTG, -4.9 RTG
4-man unit: Lowry-DeRozan-Patterson-JV: 127.4 ORTG, 107.9 DRTG, +19.5 RTG
A 127 ORTG is pretty much by definition lighting the world on fire. That's no small sample size either - that 4-some had 250+ minutes played together.
Like it's hard for me to see the logic in not starting 2Pat, but one thing I have considered is that we were not the only team that didn't start its best lineup.
For example the Cavaliers did in fact start their best lineup (talking over 100 mins played here btw). But Golden State didn't (the death lineup), the Spurs didn't (Tony-Manu-Kawhi-Aldridge-Duncan), the Clippers also didn't (they had 4 lineups that were better than their starters), neither did the Hawks (although their best lineup doesn't include Millsap so that's likely why).
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Axel wrote: View PostWell a coach can be in the league for a very long time without having to be a great tactician, so longevity isn't necessarily reflective of that coaching component.
The Championship staff was also led by one of the best coaches in the league and had a veteran roster.
So while both are interesting points, neither specifically speak to tactical acumen.
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Lupe wrote: View PostI'm also in favor of starting Patterson, but you also have to wonder how much that oRTG is inflated by who that lineup was matched up against. It might've dropped off if it started against the other teams' best units.
Like it's hard for me to see the logic in not starting 2Pat, but one thing I have considered is that we were not the only team that didn't start its best lineup.
For example the Cavaliers did in fact start their best lineup (talking over 100 mins played here btw). But Golden State didn't (the death lineup), the Spurs didn't (Tony-Manu-Kawhi-Aldridge-Duncan), the Clippers also didn't (they had 4 lineups that were better than their starters), neither did the Hawks (although their best lineup doesn't include Millsap so that's likely why).Heir, Prince of Cambridge
If you see KeonClark in the wasteland, please share your food and water with him.
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Axel wrote: View PostScola's MPG by month (excluding Oct and April due to small number of games):
Nov 24.0 mpg
Dec 25.2 mpg
Jan 20.8 mpg
Feb 17.7 mpg
Mar 20.7 mpg
Season avg 21.5 mpg
Playoffs 12.7 mpg
Draw your own conclusions.
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