Everything Jakob Poeltl

[The Claw Reborn]

Hopefully Next game would be a good game for Yak, he can make it difficult for that big beast of the Bucks to drive down the lane.

I am sure Yak himself knows how bad he has been playing defensively.

What they need to work on at the very least is for him to nail some 6 to 8 footer.

I checked his stats from that distance:
He average close to 50% from 3-10 feet BUT only takes 31% total attempts of his shots

Darko has to encouraged him or set plays for him to make those short jump shots, allowing defenses to be more honest and opens the lane from the weak side for cutters so Yak from time to time can pass the ball…he is a decent passer

[LJ2]

Yeah no idea.. he's usually pretty solid defensively but has struggled this year. He's always had a foul problem.. and a stamina problem (doesn't play over 25mpg). But he seems to be too slow at times like you said. Guys are getting to the rim easily on him. And they can also push him out of the way if they need to which isn't great. Offensively he's fine. He's basically a rim runner. Gets easy buckets from well timed passes. He had better chemistry with Fred, but he's doing fine with Dennis too.

His $20M contract is fine too. That's about the value for a 5th option these days. I don't love the first round pick that was traded. But it is what it is. The fit just never really made sense though. He's a big which we need.... but he's a terrible floor spacer. When you have Pascal and Scottie next to him its gross. And it compounds further when Dennis struggles too. I don't know what to say.

By mid December he's trade legible. But I think if we swap Pascal with a real shooting guard.. Poeltl would look a lot better. The whole fitting square pegs into round holes management style we have going is getting a bit tiresome.

Yeah, not sure why he seems slow these days. Still solid, but seems like guys are getting past him a lot more easily and he's not putting up much of a fight at the point of contact.

[SkywalkerAC]

I didn't really notice any slowness per se. Could play with a bit more force defensiively - or strong but ready to flop like when Gafford went into his chest.

[MixxAOR]

Lets see JV do that

[G____Deane]

Lets see JV do that

Nov 29, 2021 against the Clippers, JV went
39 points in 32 minutes (figure out that PER lol)
15 rebounds
3 AST
2 STL
on 15 for 24 shooting
7 for 8 from three
and 100% from the stripe

Different players but JV could beast in a way that Jak could only dream
As always, get him his damn ring

[chris]

the bolded random tidbit i came across today in this piece today kinda blew my mind:

On the bright side, Toronto has its direction: Build around Barnes, a 24-year-old with all the tools to become something akin to their next Leonard. Surround him with a gritty two-way guard, some 3-and-D weapons and a lob threat. (You know how many times Jakob Poeltl has thrown down an alley-oop dunk in 512 career games? Four.) Siakam can be swapped for some of that. Maybe Anunoby fills one of those spots. If not, flip him for more. Maybe Gradey Dick becomes a piece. Be bad for a bit. Add another high draft pick or two.

not that i was under the impression that he is a lob threat, but that's unbelievable

[DanH]

Not sure why a lob threat is such a big deal. Poeltl finishes almost exclusively on the roll and has basically the highest success rate in the league. Give the two of them reps and that PnR can be deadly.

[The Claw Reborn]

the bolded random tidbit i came across today in this piece today kinda blew my mind:



not that i was under the impression that he is a lob threat, but that's unbelievable

Wowoweee…

I would swap him for a floor spreading bigman with a three point threat anytime of the day. Yak for some reason is allergic or just plain have zero confidence on shots outside of 10 feet FFS.

As the games progresses, the doubts of him fitting with Scottie is getting stronger.

                                                                                          
                     % of % of % of  % of  % of % of  FG%  FG%  FG%   FG%   FG%   FG% Dunk
Season      Age  Tm    2P  0-3 3-10 10-16 16-3P   3P   2P  0-3 3-10 10-16 16-3P    3P %FGA
2016-17      21 TOR 1.000 .722 .235  .035  .009 .000 .583 .614 .519  .500        .000 .096
2017-18      22 TOR  .995 .734 .211  .047  .003 .005 .660 .734 .444  .500  .000  .500 .102
2018-19      23 SAS 1.000 .700 .248  .041  .010 .000 .645 .709 .486  .417       1.000 .107
2019-20      24 SAS 1.000 .658 .267  .075  .000 .000 .624 .674 .507              .600 .105
2020-21      25 SAS 1.000 .581 .333  .074  .012 .000 .616 .720 .490  .438        .200 .100
2021-22      26 SAS  .998 .471 .391  .133  .005 .002 .618 .747 .514  .477  .333 1.000 .072
2022-23      27 TOT  .998 .487 .351  .138  .002 .002 .630 .757 .516  .471  .000  .000 .045
2022-23      27 SAS  .997 .500 .343  .152  .003 .003 .618 .768 .481  .441  .000  .000 .039
2022-23      27 TOR 1.000 .465 .365  .113  .000 .000 .652 .738 .571              .538 .057
2023-24      28 TOR 1.000 .665 .287  .049  .000 .000 .720 .826 .511              .500 .110
Career               .999 .585 .313  .091  .005 .001 .633 .729 .502  .479  .357  .500 .084
                                                                                          
5 seasons       SAS  .999 .557 .333  .104  .006 .001 .622 .727 .499  .469  .417  .500 .081
4 seasons       TOR  .998 .651 .268  .063  .002 .002 .659 .735 .510  .518  .000  .500 .091

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/15/2023.


P.S. I cannot believed that I was still positive of him based on my post on November 14….but has deteriorated badly. The more than 20 games mark was good enough sample size for me.

[DanH]

Wowoweee…

I would swap him for a floor spreading bigman with a three point threat anytime of the day. Yak for some reason is allergic or just plain have zero confidence on shots outside of 10 feet FFS.

As the games progresses, the doubts of him fitting with Scottie is getting stronger.


P.S. I cannot believed that I was still positive of him based on my post on November 14….but has deteriorated badly. The more than 20 games mark was good enough sample size for me.

Meh, every game we just get more of the starting lineup. We have unfortunately very little sample of Jak with Scottie without Schroder mucking it up.

But the sample we do have is promising. In 37 minutes of Scottie+Jak but no Schroder (again, tiny sample we need to see more of), the team has a 119 ORTG, Jak is finishing inside with a 90% FG%, Scottie is carrying a usage rate of 30%, an assist rate of 24% and a TS% of 60%.

I personally would love to see if that can continue in a bigger sample. Giving Scottie a rim protector and a good screener and roll finisher is a great way to unlock his game.

[The Claw Reborn]

Meh, every game we just get more of the starting lineup. We have unfortunately very little sample of Jak with Scottie without Schroder mucking it up.

But the sample we do have is promising. In 37 minutes of Scottie+Jak but no Schroder (again, tiny sample we need to see more of), the team has a 119 ORTG, Jak is finishing inside with a 90% FG%, Scottie is carrying a usage rate of 30%, an assist rate of 24% and a TS% of 60%.

I personally would love to see if that can continue in a bigger sample. Giving Scottie a rim protector and a good screener and roll finisher is a great way to unlock his game.

You gave him and Darko to make adjustments especially Darko until Jan. 16 if I remembered correctly, fair enough to me. But as I said my doubts are getting stronger.

[DanH]

You gave him and Darko to make adjustments especially Darko until Jan. 16 if I remembered correctly, fair enough to me. But as I said my doubts are getting stronger.

I didn't give a timeline. I said Jak literally couldn't be traded until Jan 15.

If Darko doesn't use them correctly, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to trade him. It means the coach didn't use him correctly, and that with so little info you are just as likely to make things worse for Scottie as better by changing centers.

[The Claw Reborn]

I didn't give a timeline. I said Jak literally couldn't be traded until Jan 15.

If Darko doesn't use them correctly, it doesn't mean it's a good idea to trade him. It means the coach didn't use him correctly, and that with so little info you are just as likely to make things worse for Scottie as better by changing centers.

So you mean fire the coach then if he refused to adjust? How long are you going to wait?

[Primer]

Not sure why a lob threat is such a big deal. Poeltl finishes almost exclusively on the roll and has basically the highest success rate in the league. Give the two of them reps and that PnR can be deadly.

Lobs look cooler Dan. We need style points. That's a thing right?

/s

[Primer]

Wowoweee…

I would swap him for a floor spreading bigman with a three point threat anytime of the day. Yak for some reason is allergic or just plain have zero confidence on shots outside of 10 feet FFS.

As the games progresses, the doubts of him fitting with Scottie is getting stronger.

% of % of % of % of % of % of FG% FG% FG% FG% FG% FG% Dunk
Season Age Tm 2P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16-3P 3P 2P 0-3 3-10 10-16 16-3P 3P %FGA
2016-17 21 TOR 1.000 .722 .235 .035 .009 .000 .583 .614 .519 .500 .000 .096
2017-18 22 TOR .995 .734 .211 .047 .003 .005 .660 .734 .444 .500 .000 .500 .102
2018-19 23 SAS 1.000 .700 .248 .041 .010 .000 .645 .709 .486 .417 1.000 .107
2019-20 24 SAS 1.000 .658 .267 .075 .000 .000 .624 .674 .507 .600 .105
2020-21 25 SAS 1.000 .581 .333 .074 .012 .000 .616 .720 .490 .438 .200 .100
2021-22 26 SAS .998 .471 .391 .133 .005 .002 .618 .747 .514 .477 .333 1.000 .072
2022-23 27 TOT .998 .487 .351 .138 .002 .002 .630 .757 .516 .471 .000 .000 .045
2022-23 27 SAS .997 .500 .343 .152 .003 .003 .618 .768 .481 .441 .000 .000 .039
2022-23 27 TOR 1.000 .465 .365 .113 .000 .000 .652 .738 .571 .538 .057
2023-24 28 TOR 1.000 .665 .287 .049 .000 .000 .720 .826 .511 .500 .110
Career .999 .585 .313 .091 .005 .001 .633 .729 .502 .479 .357 .500 .084

5 seasons SAS .999 .557 .333 .104 .006 .001 .622 .727 .499 .469 .417 .500 .081
4 seasons TOR .998 .651 .268 .063 .002 .002 .659 .735 .510 .518 .000 .500 .091

Provided by Basketball-Reference.com: View Original Table
Generated 12/15/2023.


P.S. I cannot believed that I was still positive of him based on my post on November 14….but has deteriorated badly. The more than 20 games mark was good enough sample size for me.

Since you want some positive Jak stats here we go:

Leading the entire NBA in:
FG%
eFG
TS%

On The Raptors:
#1 ORTG 130
#2 DRTG 112 (after Scottie)
#2 OBPM (after Scottie)
#2 DBPM (after Scottie)
#2 BPM (after Scottie)
#2 VORP (after Scottie)
#2 OWS (after Scottie)
#2 DWS (after Scottie)
#2 WS (after Scottie)
#1 WS/48
#2 PER (after Scottie)


But sure, keep shitting on Jak for no reason.

[chris]

Not sure why a lob threat is such a big deal. Poeltl finishes almost exclusively on the roll and has basically the highest success rate in the league. Give the two of them reps and that PnR can be deadly.

i know poeltl is an incredible finisher on the role, i just think it's unbelievable for any big man who's game is primarily diving to the rim to have finished only four lobs in over 500 games. that's basically one every two seasons.