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  • Mess wrote: View Post
    What about his Angry Bird rights? Where most people forget about you for a few years and then all of a sudden you show up in public again and people would be like "Oh yeah...that guy." It sounds like he still has that going for him.
    I'm now envisioning De Colo being launched from a slingshot into a castle made out of wood.

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    • Building on what DanH, Planetmars and others have written, is there a possibility the following could work:

      How to Resign Bismack Byombo and give him his money without rescinding free agent salary cap holds or trading players

      Raptors match or negotiate a prospective new team's offer over the length of the offer [likely 4 years from 2016 to 2020] rather than over 1 year [2016-2017].

      Raptors present an offer to pay Bismack less money in years 1 and 2 on a 2 year Non-Tax Mid Level Exception contract
      Raptors pay Bismack more money in years 3 and 4 [2018-2019 and 2019-2020] on a second 2 year contract when Raptors have full Bird rights.


      New Team Contract Offer
      Year Period Payments Length Contract Type

      1st 2016-17 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
      2nd2017-18 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
      3rd 2018-19 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
      4th 2019-20 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space

      4yr Total $60,000,000
      4yr Average $15,000,000


      Raptors Contract Offers
      Year Period Payments Length Contract Type

      1st 2016-17 $5,628,000 2 Years Non-Tax Mid Level Exception
      2nd2017-18 $5,881,000 2 Years Non-Tax Mid Level Exception [4.5% Increase]
      3rd2018-19 $24,245,500 2 Years Full Bird
      4th2019-20 $24,245,500 2 Years Full Bird

      4yr Total $60,000,000
      4yr Average $15,000,000


      Notes:
      1] Over 4 years, Byombo gets $60,000,000 from Raptors versus $60,000,000 from a new team
      2] The formula is: $60,000,000 [New Team 4 Years] - $5,628,000 - $5,881,000 = $48,491,000 / 2 years = $24,245,500
      2] If necessary, Bismack could consider exercising his 2016-2017 Player Option [before June 3, 2016]. Year 1 and year 2 contracts would be for a lot less money but years 3 and 4 would make it up although at much higher amounts.
      3] The numbers would be different depending on how much other teams actually offer Bismack and for how much the Raptors and Byombo negotiate what is paid. But the concept, method and calculations used to resign him would be the same.
      4] According to Larry Coon: Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season.
      Effectively, this would eliminate the use of Early Bird rights for Bismack because his Full Bird Rights wouldn't be available until his fourth year in 2019-2020.

      Why Bismack Byombo Might Accept This Arrangement
      1] Although he would have to wait 2 years, Bismack would get paid his full amount of money [$60,000,000].
      2] Bismack would get to stay in Toronto with a city that appreciates and respects what he has to offer [President, Head Coach, Players, Fans, Others]
      3] Bismack would stay with an organization which emphasizes and prioritizes his basketball strengths [defence]
      4] Bismack would not have to take the risk of going to a new organization which may place a different emphasis on how they play basketball [such as emphasizing and prioritizing offense over defence]

      Why Bismack Byombo Might Not Accept This Arrangement
      1] Bismack would have to wait 2 years before he starts to get paid the major part of his money.
      2] He could have a career ending injury within the next 2 years before he signs a full bird contract in his 3rd year [2018-2019].

      Why The Raptors Might Accept This Arrangement
      1] The Raptors would keep Bismack for 2 years at an extremely low price.
      2] The Raptors would not have to rescind any free agent salary cap holds in order to sign Bismack.
      3] The Raptors would not have to trade anyone in order to sign Bismack. If the Raptors want to make a trade, then they would do so for other reasons but not to sign Bismack.
      4] Because Bismack would sign a 2 year Non-Tax Mid Level Exception contract, the Raptors could use the Non-Tax Mid Level Exception again the next year [2017-2018] to sign another free agent.

      Why The Raptors Might Not Accept This Arrangement
      1] Paying Bismack $24,245,500 both in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 might appear to be too much money but:
      a] This would be make up pay for the extremely low amounts paid in the first 2 years [2016-2017 and 2017-2018] and
      b] With the increases in salaries over the next 2 years he would probably be offered that much money by another team when he becomes a free agent again [2018-2019].

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      • DonM wrote: View Post
        Building on what DanH, Planetmars and others have written, is there a possibility the following could work:

        How to Resign Bismack Byombo and give him his money without rescinding free agent salary cap holds or trading players

        Raptors match or negotiate a prospective new team's offer over the length of the offer [likely 4 years from 2016 to 2020] rather than over 1 year [2016-2017].

        Raptors present an offer to pay Bismack less money in years 1 and 2 on a 2 year Non-Tax Mid Level Exception contract
        Raptors pay Bismack more money in years 3 and 4 [2018-2019 and 2019-2020] on a second 2 year contract when Raptors have full Bird rights.


        New Team Contract Offer
        Year Period Payments Length Contract Type

        1st 2016-17 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
        2nd2017-18 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
        3rd 2018-19 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space
        4th 2019-20 $15,000,000 4 Years Cap Space

        4yr Total $60,000,000
        4yr Average $15,000,000


        Raptors Contract Offers
        Year Period Payments Length Contract Type

        1st 2016-17 $5,628,000 2 Years Non-Tax Mid Level Exception
        2nd2017-18 $5,881,000 2 Years Non-Tax Mid Level Exception [4.5% Increase]
        3rd2018-19 $24,245,500 2 Years Full Bird
        4th2019-20 $24,245,500 2 Years Full Bird

        4yr Total $60,000,000
        4yr Average $15,000,000


        Notes:
        1] Over 4 years, Byombo gets $60,000,000 from Raptors versus $60,000,000 from a new team
        2] The formula is: $60,000,000 [New Team 4 Years] - $5,628,000 - $5,881,000 = $48,491,000 / 2 years = $24,245,500
        2] If necessary, Bismack could consider exercising his 2016-2017 Player Option [before June 3, 2016]. Year 1 and year 2 contracts would be for a lot less money but years 3 and 4 would make it up although at much higher amounts.
        3] The numbers would be different depending on how much other teams actually offer Bismack and for how much the Raptors and Byombo negotiate what is paid. But the concept, method and calculations used to resign him would be the same.
        4] According to Larry Coon: Early Bird contracts must be at least two seasons in length, which prevents teams from using the Early Bird to sign a one-year contract, then signing the same player with the full Larry Bird exception the following season.
        Effectively, this would eliminate the use of Early Bird rights for Bismack because his Full Bird Rights wouldn't be available until his fourth year in 2019-2020.

        Why Bismack Byombo Might Accept This Arrangement
        1] Although he would have to wait 2 years, Bismack would get paid his full amount of money [$60,000,000].
        2] Bismack would get to stay in Toronto with a city that appreciates and respects what he has to offer [President, Head Coach, Players, Fans, Others]
        3] Bismack would stay with an organization which emphasizes and prioritizes his basketball strengths [defence]
        4] Bismack would not have to take the risk of going to a new organization which may place a different emphasis on how they play basketball [such as emphasizing and prioritizing offense over defence]

        Why Bismack Byombo Might Not Accept This Arrangement
        1] Bismack would have to wait 2 years before he starts to get paid the major part of his money.
        2] He could have a career ending injury within the next 2 years before he signs a full bird contract in his 3rd year [2018-2019].

        Why The Raptors Might Accept This Arrangement
        1] The Raptors would keep Bismack for 2 years at an extremely low price.
        2] The Raptors would not have to rescind any free agent salary cap holds in order to sign Bismack.
        3] The Raptors would not have to trade anyone in order to sign Bismack. If the Raptors want to make a trade, then they would do so for other reasons but not to sign Bismack.
        4] Because Bismack would sign a 2 year Non-Tax Mid Level Exception contract, the Raptors could use the Non-Tax Mid Level Exception again the next year [2017-2018] to sign another free agent.

        Why The Raptors Might Not Accept This Arrangement
        1] Paying Bismack $24,245,500 both in 2018-2019 and 2019-2020 might appear to be too much money but:
        a] This would be make up pay for the extremely low amounts paid in the first 2 years [2016-2017 and 2017-2018] and
        b] With the increases in salaries over the next 2 years he would probably be offered that much money by another team when he becomes a free agent again [2018-2019].
        Can only give 5% raises of the initial year of the contract in any year. So a $5 mil base comes with a maximum 250k raise.
        twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle

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        • Why the Raptors might not accept this arrangement:

          If the NBA ever found out there was any such agreement ahead of time, it would be considered cap circumvention, Biyombo's contract would be voided, the Raps would face fines and other penalties including loss of draft picks.
          twitter.com/dhackett1565

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          • Barolt wrote: View Post
            Can only give 5% raises of the initial year of the contract in any year. So a $5 mil base comes with a maximum 250k raise.
            That's what he did. He's describing two contracts.
            twitter.com/dhackett1565

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            • DanH wrote: View Post
              That's what he did. He's describing two contracts.
              Ah, yeah. I missed that on the first readthrough. Your other response is the right one then. It's against NBA rules.
              twitter.com/anthonysmdoyle

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              • DonM wrote: View Post
                Why Bismack Byombo Might Not Accept This Arrangement
                1] Bismack would have to wait 2 years before he starts to get paid the major part of his money.
                2] He could have a career ending injury within the next 2 years before he signs a full bird contract in his 3rd year [2018-2019].
                Or the Playoff Shine will have worn off by then and the Raps could easily renege on paying him $24M a season.
                Two beer away from being two beers away.

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                • Mess wrote: View Post
                  Or the Playoff Shine will have worn off by then and the Raps could easily renege on paying him $24M a season.
                  Or in 2 yrs Masai isn't our GM anymore.

                  But Dan nailed it. The Joe Smith penalty would destroy a franchise for years.

                  And this isn't doing an under the table deal for Steph Curry or Lebron. I've said good things about Biz all year, but give your head a shake - you'd risk those penalties for Bismack Biyombo?
                  Last edited by 3inthekeon; Wed Jun 1st, 2016, 03:13 PM.
                  If we knew half as much about coaching an NBA team as we think, we"d know twice as much as we do.

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                  • Lol I don't think it's worth potentially throwing away the future of our franchise to re-sign Biz in some super shady way. Let's just play by the rules.

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                    • DanH wrote: View Post
                      I try not to pimp my own stuff very much, but I've got a big salary prep piece for the upcoming draft and free agency up right now that I think is worth a read (note: I may be biased in this matter).

                      http://www.raptorshq.com/2016/6/1/11...p-update-draft

                      For those who prefer not to click to read the excess verbage, here are the raw numbers for at the draft:

                      DeMarre Carroll $13,600,000
                      Kyle Lowry $12,000,000
                      DeMar DeRozan $10,050,000
                      Cory Joseph $7,000,000
                      Patrick Patterson $6,268,675
                      Jonas Valanciunas $4,660,482
                      Terrence Ross $3,553,917
                      Luis Scola $2,900,000
                      Bismack Biyombo $2,814,000
                      James Johnson $2,500,000
                      Lucas Nogueira $1,842,000
                      Bruno Caboclo $1,524,000
                      Delon Wright $1,509,360
                      Norman Powell $650,000
                      Jason Thompson $245,177
                      Ronald Roberts $75,000
                      Axel Toupane $25,000
                      Michale Kyser $25,000
                      Shannon Scott $25,000
                      Nando de Colo $1,900,000

                      Total committed salary: $73,169,511

                      Salary Cap: $70,000,000
                      Luxury Tax: $84,740,000
                      Tax Apron (Hard Cap): $88,740,000

                      And this summer:

                      Jonas Valanciunas $14,382,024
                      DeMarre Carroll $14,200,000
                      Kyle Lowry $12,000,000
                      Terrence Ross $10,000,000
                      Cory Joseph $7,315,000
                      Patrick Patterson $6,050,000
                      Lucas Nogueira $1,921,320
                      Bruno Caboclo $1,589,640
                      Delon Wright $1,577,280
                      Norman Powell $874,636

                      Cap projection: $92,000,000
                      Salary committed: $71M
                      With draft picks: $73.2M

                      And cap holds:

                      DeMar DeRozan $15,225,000
                      Luis Scola $3,480,000
                      Bismack Biyombo $3,376,800
                      James Johnson $3,250,000
                      Nando de Colo $1,900,000
                      Jason Thompson $1,136,731
                      Good article Dan. Pimp your stuff anytime. You should be writing for RR. Of course you are, but I mean on the front page.

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                      • Puffer wrote: View Post
                        Good article Dan. Pimp your stuff anytime. You should be writing for RR. Of course you are, but I mean on the front page.
                        Thanks.

                        It was a possibility at one point. I had done some support stuff and enough commentary that there was some discussion of something like that, but the timing was off as I had just started at RapsHQ (both sites had gone through a bit of an overhaul in terms of writers at around the same time).
                        twitter.com/dhackett1565

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                        • Luxury Tax,period. U want 2 go for Championship,that's what u gotta do. There is ure salary cap situation,spend the money 2 Win..ie Jays,enough said.
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                          • Dr Hannibal Lecter wrote: View Post
                            Luxury Tax,period. U want 2 go for Championship,that's what u gotta do. There is ure salary cap situation,spend the money 2 Win..ie Jays,enough said.
                            It's not that easy. Baseball doesn't have a salary cap.

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                            • As noted in the DeRozan thread, he made even more incentives than expected this year (with the Raps making the ECF his playoff bonus went from $250k to $450k), so his salary was actually 10.35M instead of 10.15M, and his cap hold this summer is going up from the assumed 15.225M to 15.525M. It's only 300k but it's worth noting.
                              twitter.com/dhackett1565

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                              • DanH wrote: View Post
                                As noted in the DeRozan thread, he made even more incentives than expected this year (with the Raps making the ECF his playoff bonus went from $250k to $450k), so his salary was actually 10.35M instead of 10.15M, and his cap hold this summer is going up from the assumed 15.225M to 15.525M. It's only 300k but it's worth noting.

                                i'm happy he did the most amount of work for his 200 k

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