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  • inthepaint
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    S.R. wrote: View Post

    For real, the draft is nuts and I don't know how Masai is doing it. Is some of this straight luck?

    I mean what's the difference between 46th pick Norm Powell and 39th pick Sonny Weems on draft night? Or 16th pick Joey Graham and 23rd pick OG? Virtually nothing. Player development creates opportunity but you still need a guy with the drive and the capacity to improve.

    Masai is big on guys with heart/hustle + athleticism, regardless of other stuff eg age or even an unbalanced skill set (well, he almost always makes sure the guy can shoot). Some kind of magic recipe in there.
    Some of it is luck, but ultimately, he's applying an age-old principle: effort/hustle/work ethic/staying power/grind etc. (let's call it heart for simplicity) when given time, will almost always outpace "empty" talent (that is, talent in a vacuum without the heart). The heart (combo above), is very hard to teach, it's something more innate/fundamental, but if a player has it, he'll have the potential to unlock everything else.

    Not so much the other way around. A super talented kid that has been pampered and hyped by the media since high school often gets to the league either feeling entitled, or intimidated by the unrealistic expectations placed on them by others.

    Draft the prima-donna and you might get lucky with the talent but you're also at the mercy of his whims. Draft the grinder and you'll have a shot of teaching him everything else. Masai typically goes for the latter, and that's usually a good bet.

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  • S.R.
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    Ah yes I forgot that detail.

    Still fact remains, Norm Powell could still easily be Norm Powell playing in the italian league right now

    One thing Norm, Fred, Pascal all have in common noticeably over Delon, Bruno, and seemingly OG - and insatiable hunger and work ethic
    For real, the draft is nuts and I don't know how Masai is doing it. Is some of this straight luck?

    I mean what's the difference between 46th pick Norm Powell and 39th pick Sonny Weems on draft night? Or 16th pick Joey Graham and 23rd pick OG? Virtually nothing. Player development creates opportunity but you still need a guy with the drive and the capacity to improve.

    Masai is big on guys with heart/hustle + athleticism, regardless of other stuff eg age or even an unbalanced skill set (well, he almost always makes sure the guy can shoot). Some kind of magic recipe in there.

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  • bertarapsfan
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Worth noting that the trade was made on draft night specifically for the Raptors to draft Powell. Such that Powell was officially drafted by the Bucks on the Raptors' behalf. So it wasn't just trading for a mid-2nd rounder, it was trading for Powell specifically (and hilariously getting a 1st round pick a couple years later in the process).

    Certainly you are right that the specific value of OG is way above what could reasonably have been projected from a generic late 1st rounder. And of course the Raptors' development team always gets credit for stuff like this.
    This makes it all the more sweet that playoff Norman Powell now haunts buck fans in their dreams

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  • KeonClark
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Worth noting that the trade was made on draft night specifically for the Raptors to draft Powell. Such that Powell was officially drafted by the Bucks on the Raptors' behalf. So it wasn't just trading for a mid-2nd rounder, it was trading for Powell specifically (and hilariously getting a 1st round pick a couple years later in the process).

    Certainly you are right that the specific value of OG is way above what could reasonably have been projected from a generic late 1st rounder. And of course the Raptors' development team always gets credit for stuff like this.
    Ah yes I forgot that detail.

    Still fact remains, Norm Powell could still easily be Norm Powell playing in the italian league right now

    One thing Norm, Fred, Pascal all have in common noticeably over Delon, Bruno, and seemingly OG - and insatiable hunger and work ethic

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  • DanH
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    KeonClark wrote: View Post

    this comes with an asterisk as best trade because its actually more drafting that gets credit imo. Sure the 2 assets was an overpay on bucks part but masai turned pick turned picks 23 and 46 into really good pros. Norm Powell could easily be Joe blow playing in the Italian league right now
    Worth noting that the trade was made on draft night specifically for the Raptors to draft Powell. Such that Powell was officially drafted by the Bucks on the Raptors' behalf. So it wasn't just trading for a mid-2nd rounder, it was trading for Powell specifically (and hilariously getting a 1st round pick a couple years later in the process).

    Certainly you are right that the specific value of OG is way above what could reasonably have been projected from a generic late 1st rounder. And of course the Raptors' development team always gets credit for stuff like this.

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  • KeonClark
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    007 wrote: View Post

    Best trade Masai has done purely in terms of talent in vs talent out. Vasquez only played 23 games for the Bucks lmao
    this comes with an asterisk as best trade because its actually more drafting that gets credit imo. Sure the 2 assets was an overpay on bucks part but masai turned pick turned picks 23 and 46 into really good pros. Norm Powell could easily be Joe blow playing in the Italian league right now

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  • 007
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    I still can't believe we got Norm and OG from Greivis Vasquez.
    Best trade Masai has done purely in terms of talent in vs talent out. Vasquez only played 23 games for the Bucks lmao

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  • KeonClark
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    planetmars wrote: View Post
    I still can't believe we got Norm and OG from Greivis Vasquez.
    One of Masais most underrated trades. You could do a top 10 masai trades and have some pretty unbelievable one sided wins...the rudy gay...the carmelo...the bargnani...

    the kawhi

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  • DanH
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    golden wrote: View Post
    I've been saying for a long time that Powell can put up the same scoring numbers as FVV if Nurse gave him a longer leash and consistent minutes. Terence Davis also has that potential. Confidence from the coach, consistent minutes and role definition is a huge factor in player development. When you're a bench player and the coach gives you 8-10 minutes to "show him something", you tend to force the issue instead of letting the game come to you. Powell had a rough first shift yesterday, and in earlier days, he would have been nailed to the bench by Nurse. But he knew that he'd get back in the game and the ball found him in the flow of the offense.

    McCaw, on the other hand, is getting those consistent minutes and he's basically exposing his talent level as being sub-par, at least for a championship contender. McCaw should have stayed on the Cavs... nobody would have noticed.
    Scoring is the one thing everyone should have been confident Norm could do, it's the rest of his game that has always been full of holes (and continues to be but thankfully less so).

    Scoring this efficiently is pretty crazy and probably won't keep up, but it's certainly fun while it's happening. 117 iORTG with a >20% usage. Crazy.

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  • planetmars
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    I still can't believe we got Norm and OG from Greivis Vasquez.

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  • golden
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    I've been saying for a long time that Powell can put up the same scoring numbers as FVV if Nurse gave him a longer leash and consistent minutes. Terence Davis also has that potential. Confidence from the coach, consistent minutes and role definition is a huge factor in player development. When you're a bench player and the coach gives you 8-10 minutes to "show him something", you tend to force the issue instead of letting the game come to you. Powell had a rough first shift yesterday, and in earlier days, he would have been nailed to the bench by Nurse. But he knew that he'd get back in the game and the ball found him in the flow of the offense.

    McCaw, on the other hand, is getting those consistent minutes and he's basically exposing his talent level as being sub-par, at least for a championship contender. McCaw should have stayed on the Cavs... nobody would have noticed.

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  • Dr Hannibal Lecter
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    The Great One wrote: View Post
    What if he's one of those late bloomer? like Lowry?

    I think Lowry was 26 when he got traded to TO. Powell is now 26.
    or James Harden
    Harden was on Okc as bench player,very offensive,but didn't get a lot of playing time..
    I don't mind Powell scoring,but he is chucker,everyone can score,can u make other players better..assists,rebounding,blocking,steals,defensi ve and so one..he still doesn't bring that. I like Norm,but his good off the bench,if he improves the other things,then were talking,but as of right now..his perfect where his at..bench player.

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  • The Great One
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    What if he's one of those late bloomer? like Lowry?

    I think Lowry was 26 when he got traded to TO. Powell is now 26.

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  • NeedTristanThompson
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    How great is this run? You gotta be excited for this guy - on a personal level with a guy finally seeing consistent breakthrough, and for what it can mean for us as a team.
    “Powell’s scorching play these past couple of weeks has been astonishing. In his last four games, he’s shooting 52.9 per cent from three-point range (18-for-34) and a shocking 59.1 per cent overall from the floor (42-for-71). He is averaging 23 points a game, has strung together five straight games of 20 or more points for the first time in his career and he has morphed into something like instant offence off the bench for the 29-14 Raptors.”

    Isn’t Norm now basically a Lou Williams who shoots better from three (that man can be a bit of a chucker!), and actually plays defense?!?! This is insaaaaaaaaane

    And to think Lou Williams thought the DEFENSE Raptors would offer him a contract 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂

    Plus this man will be here for Giannis! Knock on wood he keeps it uppppp YAHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOWHWHWIWOWOWKWBWBQJWK

    (And Giannis knows we WON’T LET HIM WALK LIKE BROGDON, knock on woooooooodowjjqiqoqo)

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    How great is this run? You gotta be excited for this guy - on a personal level with a guy finally seeing consistent breakthrough, and for what it can mean for us as a team.

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