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  • OakTree wrote: View Post
    Considering the situation the Raps are in, $16 million is a lot to pay someone that can't play against the Cavs.

    Also, there's a good chance we're going to lose Patterson this offseason because of lack of cap space.

    So, the deal would actually be JV for Powell + cap space, which in effect would be JV for Powell + Patterson. Which is a good deal.
    Without getting into your point about JV "can't play against the Cavs", you do realize we will in all likelihood have to win 2 rounds just to be able to play the Cavs. The NBA isn't going to gift us a trip to the ECF.

    Edit: We don't need cap space to resign Patterson (or Lowry.) We have their Bird Rights.
    Last edited by 3inthekeon; Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:44 AM.
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    • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
      Without getting into your point about JV "can't play against the Cavs", you do realize we will in all likelihood have to win 2 rounds just to be able to play the Cavs. The NBA isn't going to gift us a trip to the ECF.
      I don't see that JV is the difference maker in any Eastern Conference series.

      Also, go take a look at the cap situation and tell me how the Raps retain both Kyle and Patterson without going into the tax.

      Patterson has been the Raps best big this year. He's the player we need to worry about. I'd rather go forward without JV than without Patterson.
      Last edited by OakTree; Thu Dec 15, 2016, 10:56 AM.

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      • OakTree wrote: View Post
        Yeah, the fit and contract are nearly perfect. If Powell can extend his range he's a hell of a player.

        It may seem like an overpay, but I'd trade JV for Powell + an expiring contract.

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        • 3inthekeon wrote: View Post
          Without getting into your point about JV "can't play against the Cavs", you do realize we will in all likelihood have to win 2 rounds just to be able to play the Cavs. The NBA isn't going to gift us a trip to the ECF.

          Edit: We don't need cap space to resign Patterson (or Lowry.) We have their Bird Rights.
          The Raps are going into the tax to sign both Patterson and Lowry.

          Which, depending on what's in the new CBA, might not be a good idea.

          Just because the Raps can sign them doesn't mean it's a good idea. The penalties could be huge.

          There are only two contracts on the team that would really move the needle to reduce payroll: JV and DC.

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          • OakTree wrote: View Post
            The Raps are going into the tax to sign both Patterson and Lowry.

            Which, depending on what's in the new CBA, might not be a good idea.

            Just because the Raps can sign them doesn't mean it's a good idea. The penalties could be huge.

            There are only two contracts on the team that would really move the needle to reduce payroll: JV and DC.
            So, as a fan, you are advocating for trading away JV to save ownership money.

            Interesting stance to take.
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            • Moving on...

              I feel like we should be targeting a 3/4 more than a 4/5.

              Any thoughts on PJ tucker, Jared Dudley, or CJ Miles, for fit and/or availability?

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              • DanH wrote: View Post
                So, as a fan, you are advocating for trading away JV to save ownership money.

                Interesting stance to take.
                The Raptors are a business, not a charity.

                Also, going into the tax will impact roster flexibility. Flexibility that management has consistently shown it wants to preserve.

                Just resigning everyone without considering the luxury tax will lead to a very expensive dumpster fire.

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                • OakTree wrote: View Post
                  The Raptors are a business, not a charity.

                  Also, going into the tax will impact roster flexibility. Flexibility that management has consistently shown it wants to preserve.

                  Just resigning everyone without considering the luxury tax will lead to a very expensive dumpster fire.
                  But if you're reducing talent/fit in order to maintain this "roster flexibility", aren't you worse off?

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                  • OakTree wrote: View Post
                    The Raptors are a business, not a charity.

                    Also, going into the tax will impact roster flexibility. Flexibility that management has consistently shown it wants to preserve.

                    Just resigning everyone without considering the luxury tax will lead to a very expensive dumpster fire.
                    roster flexibility doesn't rebound the basketball.

                    Anyways, congrats on achieving legitimately the dumbest trade proposal i've ever seen on here, including everything tenFTW ever posted.

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                    • Nilanka wrote: View Post
                      But if you're reducing talent/fit in order to maintain this "roster flexibility", aren't you worse off?
                      I don't see how trading a situational big body like JV for a versatile plus defender at both big positions like Powell reduces talent or fit.

                      Powell can consistently play 30+ minutes because of his versatility. JV cannot.

                      Trading apparent value for actual value is exactly how good deals are made.

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                      • KHD wrote: View Post
                        roster flexibility doesn't rebound the basketball.

                        Anyways, congrats on achieving legitimately the dumbest trade proposal i've ever seen on here, including everything tenFTW ever posted.
                        And JV doesn't guard the spread pick and roll.

                        Powell can. And he can rebound. And he's cheaper.

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                        • In new CBA it's even more unlikely that Boogie or George will be available unless they request the trade, but that means leaving a lot of money on the table for them (35% of cap space in year 1, more years). Also these rights are untradable.

                          Players have to meet certain criteria (not known yet), but I guess Kyle will be eligible, probably we won't use it him, but still something to keep in mind.

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                          • But if they do sign those extensions, they could still be traded after right? And likely get more return since the're under contract for longer.
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                            • Mess wrote: View Post
                              But if they do sign those extensions, they could still be traded after right? And likely get more return since the're under contract for longer.
                              We'll see what's in the new CBA, but in general it's difficult to make trades when you're in the tax.

                              Also, teams know that you need to reduce payroll at that point, which puts you in a bad bargaining position. They can just wait you out. You need to make the move, and they don't.

                              Going into the tax is a big decision. Usually it means you're comfortable with your roster, and you can make a championship run with what you have.
                              Last edited by OakTree; Thu Dec 15, 2016, 11:44 AM.

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                              • OakTree wrote: View Post
                                And JV doesn't guard the spread pick and roll.

                                Powell can. And he can rebound. And he's cheaper.
                                Whoa and that's worth JV + some corspe? And he is average rebounder at PF, but 12.8% TRB% at C that he plays 84% this season isn't impressive at all. He plays only 21 MPG, even on depleted Mavs team, not sure why would we even want him (maybe the Canadian angle, that I'm not accustomed to, being Raptors fan from Europe), he is 25 years old hustle guy with ineffective range (third of his shots come between 16 and 3pt line but he shots them at abysmal % of .319), we already have one hustle PF in Siakam, who is younger and on rookie contract.

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