Mobley and his brother were already in Tampa recently. I assume to meet with the Raptors. Suggs might have already met with them. Everything is covert and a smoke screen this time of year. They release the info they want to.
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magoon wrote: View Post
Yeah, this is just completely wrong.
We've talked a lot about how Jalen Green is a good prospect because he played in the G-League against a higher caliber of opponent than most of the college kids did, and that's a fair comment to make. To put that into perspective, Sengun played in the Turkish league, which is at least on par with the G-League in terms of difficulty and arguably exceeds it, and he didn't just play well in that league, he dominated it, literally being named its MVP this past year. That's an 18-year-old having to bang against legit adult bigs and he absolutely owned them the entire season.
The traditional post scorer is far from gone in the NBA. Embiid scores the majority of his points in the post. So does Jokic. So does Sabonis. So does Valanciunas. Sengun is already as good a post scorer as any of those guys and is arguably better than some of them; his free-throw rate is excellent, he's extremely good at drawing fouls, and he can finish through contact very well. He projects to be a better three-point shooter in the long run (his form is very good and his release isn't slow; he just needs to put in the reps).
On defense, he hasn't impressed yet, but on the other hand he's 18 and most 18-year-olds aren't good at defense, which is why when a draft prospect is really good at it it gets mentioned a lot. That said, there's no reason he can't become at least an average defender; he's not a slow, plodding big but a reasonably mobile one - not a super-athlete, just NBA average for a big - and he's smart. If he's an average defender, with his offensive skills he'll become a welcome addition to any team.
Sometimes, when we're evaluating NBA draft prospects, we overthink things by looking at potential over more simple indicators like "is this person good at basketball." Keon Johnson, for example, is talked about as a lottery prospect mostly because if he can taught to be good at basketball he'll be amazing, but the thing is that not everybody can be taught to be good at basketball and for every Giannis there's ten Stanley Johnsons out there. We talk about height and wingspan and footspeed and outside shooting like those four things are the be-all and end-all of playing basketball and ignore how, say, Luis Scola had a productive ten-year NBA career despite not having any of those things, because Luis Scola knew how to play basketball.
Alperen Sengun is already very good at basketball. He's better than most of the players projected as lottery picks are right now and has room to improve. And he's also one of the younger players in the draft. It seems to me that someone who is already better at basketball than most of the other players in the draft and who is younger than most of them should probably be a lottery pick.
Of all the players you mentioned, JV is the only traditional big on that group.
I also don't care about the awards that Sengun won in the Turkish League. I don't care if he's a 10x Turkish League MVP. The Turkish League is not the NBA.Mamba Mentality
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saints91 wrote: View PostSorry I guess it was just Isiah Mobley in Tampa on July 5th... unless Evan was there as well and just didn’t post it.
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Primer wrote: View PostSuggs on this team is the favorite for ROY. He's going to be awesome out of the gate and he will get heavy minutes here as our starting PG next to FVV. You guys suggesting trading up for Mobley are way undervaluing Suggs. There is a very very good chance he ends up the best player from this draft class. He's already a complete player. The biggest ding I've seen on him is his 33% 3PT shooting could be better. Sure, it could, but 33% from 3 is already pretty damn good. He's an elite defender, he can score at every level, he has the it factor where he sees plays happening well before they do. I'm going to be happy as a pig in shit if we end up with Suggs and you guys should be too.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
and how Barnes would make that happen?"My biggest concern as a coach is to not confuse winning with progress." - Steve Kerr
"If it's unacceptable in defeat, it's unacceptable in victory." - Jeff Van Gundy
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Apparently Kuminga has already worked out for the Raps...
In addition to the Magic, Kuminga has also worked out for the Cleveland Cavaliers, Toronto Raptors and Oklahoma City Thunder to this point of the pre-draft process. He will also work out in front of the Golden State Warriors in Miami, where he is training.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
and how Barnes would make that happen?
it’s like we as a basketball community forget there is more than one way to score.
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Andre Miller, Sam cassell, Chauncey billups, penny hardaway, magic Johnson…there is away to make Scottie Barnes a effective scorerLast edited by grindhouse; Tue Jul 20, 2021, 07:57 PM.
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grindhouse wrote: View Post
You guys forget the days when guards could post up. You know half of jordans or kobes points were from the post.
it’s like we as a basketball community forget there is more than one way to score.
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Andre Miller, Sam cassell, Chauncey billups, penny hardaway, magic Johnson…there is away to make Scottie Barnes a effective scorerOnly one thing matters: We The Champs.
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Primer wrote: View Post
What in the holy fuck. Some of you guys are absolutely insane. Barnes is nothing like Kawhi. Not At All.
Barnes absolutely sucks on offense. He's an extremely shitty rebounder for his size as well, something you guys never bother mentioning but he has less than half the rebounds per game of any stupid comparison you throw up. Barnes is going to have to play PF in the NBA and he doesn't rebound well enough for that.
Barnes is a very far less talented Ben Simmons. He's Simmons if he was significantly worse at everything. At least Simmons is a good rebounder.
Secondly, I don't like Barnes.... at all. But my point was that I can see why people would. Definitely agree with the rebounding disparity, but Kawhi wasn't exactly a shooter in college either. I'm more looking at the defense potential and physical profile when I suggest people are seeing 2-way potential like Kawhi.... sure, less rebounding and USG, but a lot more playmaking potential. And Kawhi only shot 20% from 3 and Barnes shot 23% in their first year of college - not much to choose from there. And that's possibly the biggest swing factor for Barnes, which would also unlock his playmaking. Even then, I'm skeptical about half-court playmaking, with or without the shot. Kawhi had a much higher usage, so sure,
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