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planetmars wrote: View Post
Not sure about max, as that's typically reserved for all-star caliber players.. and he's not quite there yet. But he's got a year left on his deal and if he continues to consistently put up big numbers, then sure why not.
It'll be easier to figure out his market value by the end of next season. I'd be curious as to what Malik Monk is going to make.. he's putting up big numbers in LA as well, but went there on basically a cheap 1 year deal.Last edited by bertarapsfan; Wed Feb 2, 2022, 03:22 PM.To be the champs you got to beat the champs
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up
His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=20229 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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bertarapsfan wrote: View Post
Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
Herro has much more of an all around game. He plays de facto point a lot, and sets guys up on the drive and kick. Trent is a black hole, in the best way, give him the ball and let him create for himself. Herro also gobbles twice as many rebounds.
His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022
And the agent definitely will use a 22 year old Herro as a contract comparison rather then a 28 year old NormTo be the champs you got to beat the champs
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LJ2 wrote: View PostSo what what would you guys think it's going to take to resign Gary? Has he played his way to a max or something like 100M over 4yrs?
A well managed team salary-wise will have the ability to pay a "big 3" and still have room to sign good supporting pieces. The big 3 might not be who we think/want it to be, but that's up to what the players do on the floor . Maybe someone we think is a surefire part of the core will be flipped for depth/picks like Rudy Gay back in the day. Maybe someone will walk, heaven forbid get hurt, or fall off the cliff in production etc.. Lots can happen over the next couple of years when this team is supposed to be peaking. I'm sure at that time the FO will pay who they need to, move who they need to, and have the team with adequate pieces to compete.
Till then let's just enjoy the team, who's in a fun part of cycle: young, but competitive and growing leaps and bounds with guys finally meshing and getting used to playing together. Trent is playing incredibly well on both ends of the floor, and is only 23. It's alright to celebrate that.
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KeonClark wrote: View Post
Herro has much more of an all around game. He plays de facto point a lot, and sets guys up on the drive and kick. Trent is a black hole, in the best way, give him the ball and let him create for himself. Herro also gobbles twice as many rebounds.
His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are
https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022
There actually aren't a lot of obvious comparisons for Gary at his age heading into UFA which is going to be good for him!
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slaw wrote: View Post
Trent is 5 years younger. You can't compare players that far apart in age. As for Herro, he's a RFA while Trent is a UFA.
There actually aren't a lot of obvious comparisons for Gary at his age heading into UFA which is going to be good for him!9 time first team all-RR, First Ballot Hall of Forum
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Primer wrote: View Post
18 pts 2 ast was enough to make Wiggins an all star starter.
1. A lot of it is self-created, they come without relying heavily on assists (extremely valuable in the playoffs when defences adjust to your team sets).
2. It's efficient (not volume shooting at 28% 3p% jacking up shots)
3. Has room to grow (could be 21+ points easily, he's not about to retire, he's rising)
4. Comes with with very tenacious, disruptive defence, with length, which is precisely the type of D the system is calling for (so a little more than 1-trick pony there)
Frankly, I'm more than ok if he's exactly that: a guy who can guard and put the ball in the hoop in bunches. With all due respect to other key players on this team, we have enough passing, transition, and all the other cute intangible stuff everyone loves throughout the rest of the roster. What we need is ball in the hoop, and Trent is that.Last edited by inthepaint; Wed Feb 2, 2022, 07:04 PM.
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inthepaint wrote: View Post
Very true, and we also gotta consider the kind of 18 points those are:
1. A lot of it is self-created, they come without relying heavily on assists (extremely valuable in the playoffs when defences adjust to your team sets).
2. It's efficient (not volume shooting at 28% 3p% jacking up shots)
3. Has room to grow (could be 21+ points easily, he's not about to retire, he's rising)
4. Comes with with very tenacious, disruptive defence, with length, which is precisely the type of D the system is calling for (so a little more than 1-trick pony there)
Frankly, I'm more than ok if he's exactly that: a guy who can guard and put the ball in the hoop in bunches. With all due respect to other key players on this team, we have enough passing, transition, and all the other cute intangible stuff everyone loves throughout the rest of the roster. What we need is ball in the hoop, and Trent is that.
1. Self-creation. Yes, he creates a lot of his own looks. But even on this team, he is assisted on more of his 2 point shots than Fred or Pascal (or Dalano!), and on more of his threes than Fred. So he's likely a 3rd creator if anything on this team in terms of creating his own shot.
2. Efficiency. He has a 55% TS%, which is perfectly fine, but he's not setting the nets on fire either. Worth noting he's actually slightly less efficient than Fred, and less than 1% better than Pascal and OG. They are all in the solidly decent efficiency range, none of them elite.
Also worth noting, although his efficiency in self-created shots is good (49% eFG% on pull-ups and shots inside 10 feet, which should capture his few drives), it's not what is driving his overall efficiency. That's his catch and shoot opportunities (63% eFG%). Worth comparing to a guy like Fred, who is hardly proclaimed for his efficiency in isolation (46% eFG%). Fred has an even more incredible shooting efficiency in catch and shoot (70% eFG%!) that helps increase his overall efficiency. Of course, with Fred his playmaking comes along with that self-created offence. Pascal has even more self creation (takes way more two's, so makes sense), and although he's less efficient in the midrange, he generates the bulk of his shots inside 10 feet and overall those self-creation opportunities are right in line with Trent's (50% eFG%). And of course also has that playmaking aspect like Fred.
That said, Trent has been on an absolute heater. If he keeps it up, that overall efficiency might climb. Worth noting however that over the past 5 games where he's been on that insane heater, a larger portion than usual of his offence has been on catch and shoot chances (34% vs 30% usually), and he's been particularly hot on those chances (79% eFG%!!!! compared to his usual 63%). His self-created efficiency is up too (55% eFG% vs 49% usual) but that's not where the insane numbers have come from...
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