Everything Gary Trent Jr.

[TrueTorontoFan]

So what what would you guys think it's going to take to resign Gary? Has he played his way to a max or something like 100M over 4yrs?

its is hard to say because we are a whole season and a half from that potential discussion. Like let's say ... he gets a severe injury and has to work his way back... that changes the calculus significantly.

[bertarapsfan]

Not sure about max, as that's typically reserved for all-star caliber players.. and he's not quite there yet. But he's got a year left on his deal and if he continues to consistently put up big numbers, then sure why not.

It'll be easier to figure out his market value by the end of next season. I'd be curious as to what Malik Monk is going to make.. he's putting up big numbers in LA as well, but went there on basically a cheap 1 year deal.

Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up

[planetmars]

Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up

Yeah Herro is probably the best comp. Forgot about him.

[bertarapsfan]

Yeah Herro is probably the best comp. Forgot about him.

Gary shutting him down our last 2 matchups made him easy to forget about

[KeonClark]

Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up

Herro has much more of an all around game. He plays de facto point a lot, and sets guys up on the drive and kick. Trent is a black hole, in the best way, give him the ball and let him create for himself. Herro also gobbles twice as many rebounds.

His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022

[LJ2]

Gary's market will be set by Tyler Herro. Herro only 1 year younger and main stream media has been sucking him off for 2 season as a young star. Pretty similar heat check/ great shooters. Probably the best comp for Gary i can think of across the league. But Gary actually plays defense and Tylers let anyone get by him.. Im sure Klutch uses Herro as a bench mark when his negotiations come up

I wonder If Gary being a starter will be a factor or not?

[bertarapsfan]

Herro has much more of an all around game. He plays de facto point a lot, and sets guys up on the drive and kick. Trent is a black hole, in the best way, give him the ball and let him create for himself. Herro also gobbles twice as many rebounds.

His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022

Yea Herro handles some more and grabs more boards. But Gary is a pretty great defender. Think their value is pretty similar.
And the agent definitely will use a 22 year old Herro as a contract comparison rather then a 28 year old Norm

[inthepaint]

So what what would you guys think it's going to take to resign Gary? Has he played his way to a max or something like 100M over 4yrs?

That can vary wildly between now and the time to re-sign. Lots of basketball ahead. The general vibe I get here is people are almost worried/skittish that the guy is doing well because we're afraid to paid him or something. Let's just enjoy the fact that we finally have a 2-way, lengthy SG that can create his own shot for once, and let the chips fall where the may.

A well managed team salary-wise will have the ability to pay a "big 3" and still have room to sign good supporting pieces. The big 3 might not be who we think/want it to be, but that's up to what the players do on the floor . Maybe someone we think is a surefire part of the core will be flipped for depth/picks like Rudy Gay back in the day. Maybe someone will walk, heaven forbid get hurt, or fall off the cliff in production etc.. Lots can happen over the next couple of years when this team is supposed to be peaking. I'm sure at that time the FO will pay who they need to, move who they need to, and have the team with adequate pieces to compete.

Till then let's just enjoy the team, who's in a fun part of cycle: young, but competitive and growing leaps and bounds with guys finally meshing and getting used to playing together. Trent is playing incredibly well on both ends of the floor, and is only 23. It's alright to celebrate that.

[slaw]

Herro has much more of an all around game. He plays de facto point a lot, and sets guys up on the drive and kick. Trent is a black hole, in the best way, give him the ball and let him create for himself. Herro also gobbles twice as many rebounds.

His closest comp at this current time is probably....Norman Powell lol. Actually have a look at their numbers its hilarious how close they are

https://stathead.com/basketball/pcm_...&p2yrfrom=2022

Trent is 5 years younger. You can't compare players that far apart in age. As for Herro, he's a RFA while Trent is a UFA.

There actually aren't a lot of obvious comparisons for Gary at his age heading into UFA which is going to be good for him!

[KeonClark]

Trent is 5 years younger. You can't compare players that far apart in age. As for Herro, he's a RFA while Trent is a UFA.

There actually aren't a lot of obvious comparisons for Gary at his age heading into UFA which is going to be good for him!

It's because 18 pts 2 assists is a very unique Stat line for a backcourt player lol. He's a one trick pony, but it's a trick we're sorely lacking.

[Primer]

It's because 18 pts 2 assists is a very unique Stat line for a backcourt player lol. He's a one trick pony, but it's a trick we're sorely lacking.

18 pts 2 ast was enough to make Wiggins an all star starter.

[bertarapsfan]

18 pts 2 ast was enough to make Wiggins an all star starter.

Its offical. Trent=Swag Mamba

[inthepaint]

18 pts 2 ast was enough to make Wiggins an all star starter.

Very true, and we also gotta consider the kind of 18 points those are:
1. A lot of it is self-created, they come without relying heavily on assists (extremely valuable in the playoffs when defences adjust to your team sets).
2. It's efficient (not volume shooting at 28% 3p% jacking up shots)
3. Has room to grow (could be 21+ points easily, he's not about to retire, he's rising)
4. Comes with with very tenacious, disruptive defence, with length, which is precisely the type of D the system is calling for (so a little more than 1-trick pony there)

Frankly, I'm more than ok if he's exactly that: a guy who can guard and put the ball in the hoop in bunches. With all due respect to other key players on this team, we have enough passing, transition, and all the other cute intangible stuff everyone loves throughout the rest of the roster. What we need is ball in the hoop, and Trent is that.

[slaw]

It's because 18 pts 2 assists is a very unique Stat line for a backcourt player lol. He's a one trick pony, but it's a trick we're sorely lacking.

Another interesting point. He has increased value in Toronto right now cause his firepower is badly needed.

[DanH]

Very true, and we also gotta consider the kind of 18 points those are:
1. A lot of it is self-created, they come without relying heavily on assists (extremely valuable in the playoffs when defences adjust to your team sets).
2. It's efficient (not volume shooting at 28% 3p% jacking up shots)
3. Has room to grow (could be 21+ points easily, he's not about to retire, he's rising)
4. Comes with with very tenacious, disruptive defence, with length, which is precisely the type of D the system is calling for (so a little more than 1-trick pony there)

Frankly, I'm more than ok if he's exactly that: a guy who can guard and put the ball in the hoop in bunches. With all due respect to other key players on this team, we have enough passing, transition, and all the other cute intangible stuff everyone loves throughout the rest of the roster. What we need is ball in the hoop, and Trent is that.

Hmm, I agree to some extent.

1. Self-creation. Yes, he creates a lot of his own looks. But even on this team, he is assisted on more of his 2 point shots than Fred or Pascal (or Dalano!), and on more of his threes than Fred. So he's likely a 3rd creator if anything on this team in terms of creating his own shot.

2. Efficiency. He has a 55% TS%, which is perfectly fine, but he's not setting the nets on fire either. Worth noting he's actually slightly less efficient than Fred, and less than 1% better than Pascal and OG. They are all in the solidly decent efficiency range, none of them elite.

Also worth noting, although his efficiency in self-created shots is good (49% eFG% on pull-ups and shots inside 10 feet, which should capture his few drives), it's not what is driving his overall efficiency. That's his catch and shoot opportunities (63% eFG%). Worth comparing to a guy like Fred, who is hardly proclaimed for his efficiency in isolation (46% eFG%). Fred has an even more incredible shooting efficiency in catch and shoot (70% eFG%!) that helps increase his overall efficiency. Of course, with Fred his playmaking comes along with that self-created offence. Pascal has even more self creation (takes way more two's, so makes sense), and although he's less efficient in the midrange, he generates the bulk of his shots inside 10 feet and overall those self-creation opportunities are right in line with Trent's (50% eFG%). And of course also has that playmaking aspect like Fred.

That said, Trent has been on an absolute heater. If he keeps it up, that overall efficiency might climb. Worth noting however that over the past 5 games where he's been on that insane heater, a larger portion than usual of his offence has been on catch and shoot chances (34% vs 30% usually), and he's been particularly hot on those chances (79% eFG%!!!! compared to his usual 63%). His self-created efficiency is up too (55% eFG% vs 49% usual) but that's not where the insane numbers have come from...