Everything 2024 Draft

[MixxAOR]

Players don't just demand the trade they tell you their preferred location. And Raptors aren't preferred location for same reason we don't get high level free agent signings.

[Kagemusha]

No, you said "Kawhi was a very lucky one off that will never be replicated in his lifetime."

That was specifically what I was asking about.

And I never it was a bad strategy, I'm just saying that you can't ever ONLY build through the draft. Great teams are built using all tools available to them.

The strategy for the Raptors should be to draft and develop its core/star/s.
Then trade for complimentary (minor) pieces.
That's why I said Kawhi was a one off.
Only the most popular teams attract elite talents.
We are not in that tier.

[Kagemusha]

Players don't just demand the trade they tell you their preferred location. And Raptors aren't preferred location for same reason we don't get high level free agent signings.

This is the norm, why are people still not getting this?

[golden]

The strategy for the Raptors should be to draft and develop its core/star/s.
Then trade for complimentary (minor) pieces.
That's why I said Kawhi was a one off.
Only the most popular teams attract elite talents.
We are not in that tier.

Even Kawhi didn’t want to report here at first. And Dame said he wasn’t going to play in Toronto if we traded for him. We have to draft and home grow a superstar. Or bring in Canadians. Raps are at a huge disadvantage in team building.

[LJ2]

While they haven't dived into the draft process the way most teams do (tanking multiple seasons from start to end of season), Raps are building through the draft (Scottie & Gradey being lottery picks) and may have another high pick this year.

[Primer]

Players don't just demand the trade they tell you their preferred location. And Raptors aren't preferred location for same reason we don't get high level free agent signings.

We just saw Dame get traded to Milwaukee where he did not want to go and not Miami where he was begging to go.

This whole idea players decide where they go in trades has been proven wrong repeatedly.

Players can certainly influence the destination, but that influence comes from getting their preferred destination to pony up more assets, which is what KD did with Phoenix, or threatening not to resign like Pascal just did. Kawhi told us straight up he wouldn't resign but we did the trade anyways and won a chip. No team has ended up taking a lower level return to make the player happy, the teams always send them wherever they will get the best return.

[Primer]

Even Kawhi didn’t want to report here at first. And Dame said he wasn’t going to play in Toronto if we traded for him. We have to draft and home grow a superstar. Or bring in Canadians. Raps are at a huge disadvantage in team building.

Kawhi did say that and we traded for him anyways, which proves we can trade for a superstar even if they don't want to come here. We just had to accept that he would be here for 1 year then dip to LA. We could easily do that again and trade for another superstar. The players don't decide or Dame would be in Miami.

[Quirk]

But that influence comes from getting their preferred destination to pony up more assets.

Or what Kahwi did to LA, getting the trade for PG. OKC needs to put up a Kawhi statue for that gift trade.

[Primer]

Or what Kahwi did to LA, getting the trade for PG. OKC needs to put up a Kawhi statue for that gift trade.

Yes, exactly. PG didn't end up on the Clippers because that's where he wanted to go and OKC had no choice in the matter. He ended up on the Clippers because he used his and Kawhi’s influence to make the Clippers pony up an insane trade return.

[LJ2]

Yes, exactly. PG didn't end up on the Clippers because that's where he wanted to go and OKC had no choice in the matter. He ended up on the Clippers because he used his and Kawhi’s influence to make the Clippers pony up an insane trade return.

But LA is exactly where both Kawhi and PG wanted to go, isn't it?

[DanH]

There are examples of stars ending up where they want and examples of stars ending up elsewhere. I think it's pretty clear that there's no hard rule here in where stars end up when they ask for a trade - where they want to end up and other places are both potential outcomes.

[Primer]

But LA is exactly where both Kawhi and PG wanted to go, isn't it?

So did you not read any of the other posts?

Quite literally just said all the players can do is try and influence their preferred destination to make a massive trade offer so the trading team gets max value. OKC got a franchise altering haul for PG, so they won.

Miami wouldn't pony up a great offer for Dame so they didn't get Dame despite Dame begging to go there.

If the Raptors make the strongest offer for a star player they will get them because the players always get sent to whoever makes the strongest offer. Which is exactly how we got Kawhi.

The hard rule is players get traded to whichever team makes the strongest offer.

[Quirk]

But LA is exactly where both Kawhi and PG wanted to go, isn't it?

And the result is LA paid way too much for them, not got a discount because they wanted to go there, even tho Kawhi was a free agent, it cost them Shai, JDub and counting.

[Kagemusha]

Kawhi did say that and we traded for him anyways, which proves we can trade for a superstar even if they don't want to come here. We just had to accept that he would be here for 1 year then dip to LA. We could easily do that again and trade for another superstar. The players don't decide or Dame would be in Miami.

Hence it was an almost miraculous stroke of luck.
Stuff like that don't usually happen twice.
Can't build your team on luck and miracles.

Lillard hated the idea of going to Toronto.
Of course he would play with someone like Giannis, who wouldn't ?
We don't have a Giannis in Toronto.

[Primer]

Hence it was an almost miraculous stroke of luck.
Stuff like that don't usually happen twice.
Can't build your team on luck and miracles.

Lillard hated the idea of going to Toronto.
Of course he would play with someone like Giannis, who wouldn't ?
We don't have a Giannis in Toronto.

Getting Kawhi wasn't luck at all, we made the strongest offer so we got him.

If we wanted Dame bad enough he would be a Raptor right now.

Which is my entire point.

If we make the strongest offer we get the player every time. The only constant in all of these trades is the team that made the strongest offer got the player.