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  • GOLDBLUM
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    grindhouse wrote: View Post
    Anytime I heard someone talk about the situation all they would say is pascal is completely in the wrong. Playoffs in the bubble and twice during this season.

    He is done here, everything probably will come out after he is traded. They are trying to preserve his value.

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  • grindhouse
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    Fuchan wrote: View Post

    I keep getting the sense that Pascal doesn't fit into the Raptors long term plans. You keep hearing rumblings about attitude problems, which coupled with the arguments with Nurse in the playoffs, leads me to believe there is really something going on. It's just my opinion obviously as I don't get to see the day to day interactions.

    I recall a story about how Masai challenged Kyle in the offseason to become a better player and he came back next season in the best shape we've ever seen to start the KLow era. Maybe the same thing happened with Siakam with different results. It's almost like he bought into his own hype after they won the championship. Again all speculation, but we will see very soon how he fits into the long term picture.
    I remember the game Bruno refused to go into a game. I was like this kid is done here. Pascal has talent so they been way more forgiving. Anytime I heard someone talk about the situation all they would say is pascal is completely in the wrong. Playoffs in the bubble and twice during this season.

    He is done here, everything probably will come out after he is traded. They are trying to preserve his value.

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  • Hotshot
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    DanH wrote: View Post

    Even if this is true, Masai won't trade Siakam for pennies. He will get a haul.
    He better.

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  • DanH
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    Fuchan wrote: View Post

    I keep getting the sense that Pascal doesn't fit into the Raptors long term plans. You keep hearing rumblings about attitude problems, which coupled with the arguments with Nurse in the playoffs, leads me to believe there is really something going on. It's just my opinion obviously as I don't get to see the day to day interactions.

    I recall a story about how Masai challenged Kyle in the offseason to become a better player and he came back next season in the best shape we've ever seen to start the KLow era. Maybe the same thing happened with Siakam with different results. It's almost like he bought into his own hype after they won the championship. Again all speculation, but we will see very soon how he fits into the long term picture.
    Even if this is true, Masai won't trade Siakam for pennies. He will get a haul.

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  • Puffer
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    Dvdvideo wrote: View Post
    I think siakam will bounce back big time this year, if he is traded he will post big numbers either way.
    I think this is an accurate assessment. I haven't seen any indications in post/pre game interviews of a swollen head. Always seems down to earth and hard working. I too am expecting a big season for Spicy P.

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  • Dvdvideo
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    I think siakam will bounce back big time this year, if he is traded he will post big numbers either way.

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  • Fuchan
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    The Raptors may be looking to trade Pascal.

    If they are, it is likely because of something off the court, like a locker room issue, though even in that case it's a little crazy to go so far as to call him a cancer.

    Even if that is the reason they are potentially moving him though, they will ask the absolute world and move him for nothing less.

    ​​​​​Moving Pascal basically means a rebuild. Potentially a follow up FVV trade ( though not necessarily right away), likely letting Lowry walk and not really trying to keep him, etc. It means a whole path shift. They won't be concerned with the team's ability to win next season (unless they can leverage a Siakam trade into a trade for a higher tier star - and no, Beal does not fit that description).

    They will only make such a path shift if they get significant assets for that decision. The Warriors offer (assuming it is Wiseman and 7) would need to get far stiffer, as we've described before.
    I keep getting the sense that Pascal doesn't fit into the Raptors long term plans. You keep hearing rumblings about attitude problems, which coupled with the arguments with Nurse in the playoffs, leads me to believe there is really something going on. It's just my opinion obviously as I don't get to see the day to day interactions.

    I recall a story about how Masai challenged Kyle in the offseason to become a better player and he came back next season in the best shape we've ever seen to start the KLow era. Maybe the same thing happened with Siakam with different results. It's almost like he bought into his own hype after they won the championship. Again all speculation, but we will see very soon how he fits into the long term picture.

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  • DanH
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    The Raptors may be looking to trade Pascal.

    If they are, it is likely because of something off the court, like a locker room issue, though even in that case it's a little crazy to go so far as to call him a cancer.

    Even if that is the reason they are potentially moving him though, they will ask the absolute world and move him for nothing less.

    ​​​​​Moving Pascal basically means a rebuild. Potentially a follow up FVV trade ( though not necessarily right away), likely letting Lowry walk and not really trying to keep him, etc. It means a whole path shift. They won't be concerned with the team's ability to win next season (unless they can leverage a Siakam trade into a trade for a higher tier star - and no, Beal does not fit that description).

    They will only make such a path shift if they get significant assets for that decision. The Warriors offer (assuming it is Wiseman and 7) would need to get far stiffer, as we've described before.

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  • Dvdvideo
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    I dont want us to trade Siakam for anything less than another star. When you combine his defensive skill with his offensive ability, he's extremely valuable. Plus give him a proper team with a center who doesn't completely suck and he will do better. Would you guard Baines at the 3pt line or pack the paint/double siakam? He was completely useless on offense last year.

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  • GOLDBLUM
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    What IF.......Nobody/No Media had reported on this that...Siakam was the "Cancer" in the locker room towards the end of last season?? He got suspended once because of that, and he really seemed to have a work ethic and team-building issues, and the consensus throughout the team after finished the season was to trade him.

    If that's the case then, you really have no choice but to TRADE HIM regardless of his fit, his skills, and how important he is for the team ON THE COURT.

    I don't think he's name mixed in the Warrior's rumor 2 weeks ago was a fantasy trade, I believe he's TOTALLY on the block.
    I’m not sure I even understand what you’re positing here with your initial ‘what if’, but by all means, you can live in the hypothetical that Pascal is a negative presence on the team. I’ll live in the hypothetical that Pascal is a good dude and a good teammate who got frustrated at an extremely sh*tty situation. We definitely saw some moments where he could’ve handled himself better, but I don’t think that’s the whole of the man. Seen way too much good from him to write him off after a couple of moments in a veritable year from hell. Tempers flare, they’re grown men. I don’t believe Fred would let Pascal run amok. I don’t believe Kyle would let Pascal run amok. I believe in the strength of the culture that’s been created here and I’m optimistic this is all much ado about nothing. And I’m still building up, not tearing down.

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  • Eric Montross 00
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    GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post

    This is kinda mind-boggling logic to me in that it assumes we have to unload Pascal. Pascal can still be an EXTREMELY effective, two-way player. I fully expect him to be. He’s 2 years removed from putting up historic numbers in the playoffs alongside Kawhi, for second most points by a duo in a playoff run, behind only Jordan/Pippen, who most of us have heard of. A lot of credit of course goes to Kawhi for that, but don’t sell Pascal short. He can be a perfect Robin. And in a balanced five man lineup, something we sadly lacked last year, but that I have faith could be on the horizon, he can deliver a ton.

    People need to chill lol
    What IF.......Nobody/No Media had reported on this that...Siakam was the "Cancer" in the locker room towards the end of last season?? He got suspended once because of that, and he really seemed to have a work ethic and team-building issues, and the consensus throughout the team after finished the season was to trade him.

    If that's the case then, you really have no choice but to TRADE HIM regardless of his fit, his skills, and how important he is for the team ON THE COURT.

    I don't think he's name mixed in the Warrior's rumor 2 weeks ago was a fantasy trade, I believe he's TOTALLY on the block.

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  • saints91
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    The thing with the Warriors /Siakam deal is you would have three rookies (4,7,14) on the roster and Wiseman. Plus we have two second round picks that you might have to draft and stash.

    It’s not ideal to have that influx of inexperience coming in at one time. And future cap issues when they all become RFA at the same time.

    If you could flip Wiggins and 14 or 7 for an upgrade like SGA, John Collins, or Ingram. Then it might be doable.

    I don’t like the idea of bringing a bunch of rookies and Wiggins for Siakam. Not even with Wiseman included.

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  • GOLDBLUM
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    I honestly think that the Siakam-Warriors deal is a good deal because the Warriors basically would offer a similar deal for Lillard. If Portland agreed to make the deal if you are the Raptors would you regret it?? If we look at the market, I don't see any team can come up with a better offer? Heat offering Tyler Herro?? I don't want Simmons tbh even it's a straight-up one for one deal
    This is kinda mind-boggling logic to me in that it assumes we have to unload Pascal. Pascal can still be an EXTREMELY effective, two-way player. I fully expect him to be. He’s 2 years removed from putting up historic numbers in the playoffs alongside Kawhi, for second most points by a duo in a playoff run, behind only Jordan/Pippen, who most of us have heard of. A lot of credit of course goes to Kawhi for that, but don’t sell Pascal short. He can be a perfect Robin. And in a balanced five man lineup, something we sadly lacked last year, but that I have faith could be on the horizon, he can deliver a ton.

    People need to chill lol

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  • inthepaint
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    Eric Montross 00 wrote: View Post

    I honestly think that the Siakam-Warriors deal is a good deal because the Warriors basically would offer a similar deal for Lillard. If Portland agreed to make the deal if you are the Raptors would you regret it?? If we look at the market, I don't see any team can come up with a better offer? Heat offering Tyler Herro?? I don't want Simmons tbh even it's a straight-up one for one deal
    i think it would take a lot more to pry Lillard out of Portland than Siakam out of TOR. Doesn't mean we should sell low on Siakam though.

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  • Eric Montross 00
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    GOLDBLUM wrote: View Post
    I’ll believe it when I see it.
    Pascal was frustrated last year, as he should’ve been. As they all should’ve been. And yes, by all accounts, that sometimes boiled over into handling things the wrong way. Pascal is still a super valuable player. Other teams would love to add him to what they’ve got. Little doubt about that. As they should. Masai and co won’t be selling low.

    (myself, I’d prefer to add the right piece to the mix that can diversify the offense and not make Pascal feel like he has to force it in the crunch.)
    I honestly think that the Siakam-Warriors deal is a good deal because the Warriors basically would offer a similar deal for Lillard. If Portland agreed to make the deal if you are the Raptors would you regret it?? If we look at the market, I don't see any team can come up with a better offer? Heat offering Tyler Herro?? I don't want Simmons tbh even it's a straight-up one for one deal

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