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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Lol.
You do realize that it's the exec that makes many of those things happen.
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inthepaint wrote: View Post
The attraction wasn't the executive in of itself, it was the market. If Masai is in La or Miami, there are free agents falling on his lap too, you can bet
The best player Masai has signed in his 9 years here is Bismack Biyombo.Mamba Mentality
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Can Masai turn up the heat in the city? it's -20
One of them even took it really hard when we traded him away.
Before Riley went and brought success to Miami, were they a destination? No!
If it's all about that fine weather, why are there zero free agents that's lining up in Orlando? Or Dallas, or San Antonio?
New Orleans is a fine city but no big names are dying to get there coz they don't take good care of their players.
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Kyle and DeMar learned to love the city.
One of them even took it really hard when we traded him away.
Before Riley went and brought success to Miami, were they a destination? No!
If it's all about that fine weather, why are there zero free agents that's lining up in Orlando? Or Dallas, or San Antonio?
New Orleans is a fine city but no big names are dying to get there coz they don't take good care of their players.
I believe in Toronto's ability to resign players. Specifically because of Masai and organization but they are not attracting dudes not familiar with city and organization.
That's why for Raptors it's trading and drafting.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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You can argue that Toronto itself isn't a FA destination (foreign country, weather) or that Masai has done everything possible (Giants of Africa, overall management group, coaching staff, medical group, ownership willing to spend, 2019 chip etc) but results are results and overall a solid D grading and I'm not expecting a thing this off season except nibbling around the edges again and bench tweaks. Even there, his results are less than stellar. He and Bobby need to hit on a few diamonds in the rough that actually pan out.
External Free Agents signed under Masai (minimum $5M). Am I missing anybody?
1/ Aaron Baynes (2 years $14.3M, 2020)
2/ Stanley Johnson (2 years, $7.5M, 2019)
3/ Jared Sullinger (1 year $6M, 2016)
4/ DeMarre Carrol (4 years $60M, 2015)
5/ Cory Joseph (4 years $30M, 2015)
6/ Tyler Hansbrough (2 years 47.5M, 2013)
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G__Deane wrote: View PostYou can argue that Toronto itself isn't a FA destination (foreign country, weather) or that Masai has done everything possible (Giants of Africa, overall management group, coaching staff, medical group, ownership willing to spend, 2019 chip etc) but results are results and overall a solid D grading and I'm not expecting a thing this off season except nibbling around the edges again and bench tweaks. Even there, his results are less than stellar. He and Bobby need to hit on a few diamonds in the rough that actually pan out.
External Free Agents signed under Masai (minimum $5M). Am I missing anybody?
1/ Aaron Baynes (2 years $14.3M, 2020)
2/ Stanley Johnson (2 years, $7.5M, 2019)
3/ Jared Sullinger (1 year $6M, 2016)
4/ DeMarre Carrol (4 years $60M, 2015)
5/ Cory Joseph (4 years $30M, 2015)
6/ Tyler Hansbrough (2 years 47.5M, 2013)
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G__Deane wrote: View PostYou can argue that Toronto itself isn't a FA destination (foreign country, weather) or that Masai has done everything possible (Giants of Africa, overall management group, coaching staff, medical group, ownership willing to spend, 2019 chip etc) but results are results and overall a solid D grading and I'm not expecting a thing this off season except nibbling around the edges again and bench tweaks. Even there, his results are less than stellar. He and Bobby need to hit on a few diamonds in the rough that actually pan out.
External Free Agents signed under Masai (minimum $5M). Am I missing anybody?
1/ Aaron Baynes (2 years $14.3M, 2020)
2/ Stanley Johnson (2 years, $7.5M, 2019)
3/ Jared Sullinger (1 year $6M, 2016)
4/ DeMarre Carrol (4 years $60M, 2015)
5/ Cory Joseph (4 years $30M, 2015)
6/ Tyler Hansbrough (2 years 47.5M, 2013)
It's hard to judge free agency because they've really had no cap room since 2015, so that means you're playing a small pool with lots of other fish.
The Carroll signing made lots of sense at the time but the guy was damaged goods, which is certainly partly on them but also just unlucky. The Baynes deal looked okay to me when they signed him but it turned out he was as washed as Gasol and Ibaka.
Other than that, they've been signing backups and low-cost guys to fill out the roster and be stop-gaps, so that's unlikely to look all that good at the end of the day.
I do think a lot of it has to do with the fact that the guys they want to come to Toronto don't want to come to Toronto and so they are often left with picking from a list of guys who aren't in demand for a reason. Looking at the '22 free agency pool, hard to see that changing.
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G__Deane wrote: View PostYou can argue that Toronto itself isn't a FA destination (foreign country, weather) or that Masai has done everything possible (Giants of Africa, overall management group, coaching staff, medical group, ownership willing to spend, 2019 chip etc) but results are results and overall a solid D grading and I'm not expecting a thing this off season except nibbling around the edges again and bench tweaks. Even there, his results are less than stellar. He and Bobby need to hit on a few diamonds in the rough that actually pan out.
External Free Agents signed under Masai (minimum $5M). Am I missing anybody?
1/ Aaron Baynes (2 years $14.3M, 2020)
2/ Stanley Johnson (2 years, $7.5M, 2019)
3/ Jared Sullinger (1 year $6M, 2016)
4/ DeMarre Carrol (4 years $60M, 2015)
5/ Cory Joseph (4 years $30M, 2015)
6/ Tyler Hansbrough (2 years 47.5M, 2013)
Fred Van Vleet (2 years $1.8M, 2016)
Here are some more you missed and I'm going to ignore the completely unnecessary $5M cutoff.
James Johnson (2 years $5M, 2014)
Luis Scola (1 year $2.9M, 2015)
Bismack Biyombo (1 year $2.8M, 2015)
Chris Boucher (2 years $2M, 2018)
Rondae Hollis-Jefferson (1 year $2.5M, 2019)
Terrence Davis (2 years $2.4M, 2019) [turned into a 2nd round pick]
Matt Thomas (2 years $2.4M, 2019) [turned into a 2nd round pick]
OShae Brisset (2 years, $430K, 2019)
I'd also note he flipped Sullinger for PJ Tucker at the trade deadline, which was a clear win for Toronto.
Considering we never have cap space setting a cutoff for the contracts you look at makes no sense. These are the kind of deals that are going to be available to us this offseason so they seem quite relevant to me as predictors of what Masai and Bobby may do.
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Even if the Raptors of today would still struggle to land big fish in free agency, it doesn't matter because it's not how Masai builds a team. He doesn't need to pay big fish in free agency to build a winner and the way he builds a team leads to greater longevity. He built a system to develop studs instead of depending on freeing up space to lure other teams' studs. There's more than one winning formula.
If I were to guess, I don't think Toronto would be a highly sought after spot for an American star NBA free agent and that's perfectly fine. The Raptors don't need that appeal to be successful.
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