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  • DanH
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    inthepaint wrote: View Post
    How would this work (as far as cap space and team effectiveness)?:

    Out of the Free Agents, retain Lowry & Ibaka, let Tucker and Patterson go. Trade JV, Joseph and Carroll (individually or as packages) for future picks or sophomores on the low end of the salary range. Sign JJ Redick and Danilo Gallinari (or Joe Ingles). Draft Semi Ojeleye. It would look like this:

    PG: Lowry/Fred/Wright
    SG: Derozan/Redick/Powell
    SF: Gallinari (or Ingles)/Ojeleye
    PF: Ibaka/Siakam/Bruno
    C: Poeltl/Bebe
    Letting those three go clears up about 35M in cap room. Ibaka and Lowry's cap holds take up about 35M in cap room. So they are back at the 20M in cap room they can use on free agents. No way they get two decent players with that - maybe one Redick or Gallo.

    I also think you are being incredibly optimistic about the return on a salary dump trade. Generally the prospects/picks go the same direction as the salary - ie we'd lose our pick or some rookie scale guys to be able to be free of JV or Carroll (maybe not CoJo, he's cheap and fits most places). Maybe you can pull off dumping one of them with one of our prospects plus whatever return we can manage from moving CoJo, but even then you are still looking at basically no cap room.

    The cap situation this summer is such that, unless you are moving on from all (or at least the best) of our free agents, improving via free agency is not really in the cards. Better to use the ability to spend over the cap, retain your guys, and maybe try to move them for the upgrades you want later.

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  • inthepaint
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    How would this work (as far as cap space and team effectiveness)?:

    Out of the Free Agents, retain Lowry & Ibaka, let Tucker and Patterson go. Trade JV, Joseph and Carroll (individually or as packages) for future picks or sophomores on the low end of the salary range. Sign JJ Redick and Danilo Gallinari (or Joe Ingles). Draft Semi Ojeleye. It would look like this:

    PG: Lowry/Fred/Wright
    SG: Derozan/Redick/Powell
    SF: Gallinari (or Ingles)/Ojeleye
    PF: Ibaka/Siakam/Bruno
    C: Poeltl/Bebe

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  • DanH
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    We're currently about 40 mill from the tax line, so 55 mill gives you Lowry at 35 and Ibaka at 20. Gotta shed salary to make room otherwise.

    (And I don't think this number accounts for the small additions we'd make to take the roster to 15 - the 16th/17th count)
    Roster only needs to get to 14. And the two-way contracts don't count against the cap/tax, as far as I can tell, but as you note do not count against the roster size either.

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  • DanH
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    lewro wrote: View Post
    Oops.

    Perhaps those contracts are more manageable if they are backloaded as the cap presumably rises? Maybe Lowry can come in closer to demar's contract at $28m and get raises closer to $35m by the final yr? Same with ibaka at $20m and rising toward $25m.
    Then when theyre washed up and overpaid we flip them to the Nets for a decade of 1st Rd picks.
    Backloading makes sense if they are going all in on this core for the next couple years with a plan to tear down after that. It's been my assumption.

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  • lewro
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    Oops.

    Perhaps those contracts are more manageable if they are backloaded as the cap presumably rises? Maybe Lowry can come in closer to demar's contract at $28m and get raises closer to $35m by the final yr? Same with ibaka at $20m and rising toward $25m.
    Then when theyre washed up and overpaid we flip them to the Nets for a decade of 1st Rd picks.

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  • lewro
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    SkywalkerAC wrote: View Post
    We're currently about 40 mill from the tax line, so 55 mill gives you Lowry at 35 and Ibaka at 20. Gotta shed salary to make room otherwise.

    (And I don't think this number accounts for the small additions we'd make to take the roster to 15 - the 16th/17th count)
    I'd probably bump Ibaka up $2m-$5m and Lowry down $2-7m. Not saying that what they will get, just saying that's what they're worth to me. More importantly, perhaps those contracts a

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  • SkywalkerAC
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    Rand wrote: View Post
    wow. 120m in tax? crazy.

    Ok so, with 15M into tax territory, can we get everyone back, with Lowry at $40m, Ibaka at $20, tucker where - 8=10?
    We're currently about 40 mill from the tax line, so 55 mill gives you Lowry at 35 and Ibaka at 20. Gotta shed salary to make room otherwise.

    (And I don't think this number accounts for the small additions we'd make to take the roster to 15 - the 16th/17th count)

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  • Rand
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    I expect they have given him the green light for the tax. But there's paying tax, and there's setting records for how much tax you are paying, and if he brings everyone back, it will be the latter. Even if they are open to paying tax (and I suspect ownership is but Masai probably isn't), odds are it's more along the lines of going 15M or so into the tax, not 40M into the tax (as the tax bills would be roughly 20-25M in the former, and nearly 120M in the latter).
    wow. 120m in tax? crazy.

    Ok so, with 15M into tax territory, can we get everyone back, with Lowry at $40m, Ibaka at $20, tucker where - 8=10?

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  • DanH
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    Rand wrote: View Post
    SAY, Masai is sticking with this roster, and as some interpreted from his comments after the sweep, that he's going to sign and bring everyone back, Raps will be in deep cap tax situation. What are the probabilities that MLSE has given Masai the green light to go into tax?
    I expect they have given him the green light for the tax. But there's paying tax, and there's setting records for how much tax you are paying, and if he brings everyone back, it will be the latter. Even if they are open to paying tax (and I suspect ownership is but Masai probably isn't), odds are it's more along the lines of going 15M or so into the tax, not 40M into the tax (as the tax bills would be roughly 20-25M in the former, and nearly 120M in the latter).

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  • Rand
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    SAY, Masai is sticking with this roster, and as some interpreted from his comments after the sweep, that he's going to sign and bring everyone back, Raps will be in deep cap tax situation. What are the probabilities that MLSE has given Masai the green light to go into tax?

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  • Heatdreamer
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    DanH wrote: View Post
    Hey look at that, actually got an answer to this. He's not eligible (having been traded after his rookie scale deal). So, back to plan A, re-signing him in FA to a 4 or 5 year deal.
    Would a trade for Russell + Deng for Joseph + JV+ Carroll+ Sikiam+ 1st Round pick in 2018,
    Joseph backs up Lakers PG pick in 2017 (Ball, Smith) JV is a better center than Mozgov, who can be traded and Carroll backs up Ingram. Sikiam backup for Randle.
    Last edited by Heatdreamer; Thu May 18, 2017, 02:39 PM.

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  • DanH
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    Co-wrote a series of articles on this summer, if you are interested:

    http://www.raptorshq.com/2017/5/9/15...baka-all-leave
    http://www.raptorshq.com/2017/5/10/1...rson-pj-tucker
    http://www.raptorshq.com/2017/5/11/1...-doors-options
    http://www.raptorshq.com/2017/5/12/1...ons-kyle-lowry

    And was a guest on a podcast to discuss those articles and the Raptors' summer in general, if you want to hear me drone on about cap stuff, among other things:

    https://www.almightyballer.com/we-th...aniel-hackett/

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  • DanH
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    DogeLover1234 wrote: View Post
    Is there any reason Masai wouldn't keep all the free agent cap holds going into free agency (other than de colo or thompson)? Obviously you cant sign all those guys but is there any reason to renounce them?
    If you want cap space, you have to renounce them. If you don't want to use cap space, no, no reason.

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  • DogeLover1234
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    Is there any reason Masai wouldn't keep all the free agent cap holds going into free agency (other than de colo or thompson)? Obviously you cant sign all those guys but is there any reason to renounce them?

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  • DanH
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    Quick summary of the salary cap situation for the draft and summer. Blue is a cap hold (for a free agent), red is non-guaranteed salary.

    DeMar DeRozan $26,540,100 $27,739,975
    Jonas Valanciunas $14,382,023 $15,460,675
    DeMarre Carroll $14,200,000 $14,800,000
    Kyle Lowry $12,000,000 $18,000,000
    Serge Ibaka $12,250,000 $18,375,000
    Cory Joseph $7,315,000 $7,630,000
    Patrick Patterson $6,050,000 $11,495,000
    PJ Tucker $5,300,000 $10,070,000
    Jakob Poeltl $2,703,960 $2,825,640
    Lucas (BeBe) Nogueira $1,921,320 $2,947,305
    Bruno Caboclo $1,589,640 $2,451,225
    Delon Wright $1,577,280 $1,645,200
    Pascal Siakam $1,196,040 $1,312,611
    Norman Powell $874,636 $1,471,382
    Fred Van Vleet $543,471 $1,312,611
    Nando de Colo $1,901,900
    Pick 23 2017 cap hold $1,645,200
    Jason Thompson $2,106,470
    Roster slot $543,471 $815,615
    Total committed (including pick, Powell and VV; not including FA cap holds): $81,241,824

    Cap is projected at 101M. Tax is projected at 121M.

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