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MixxAOR wrote: View PostYou know in movie "Moneyball" baseball scout says "this dudes girlfriend is ugly. He has no confidence". This is the same. We need the guy with crazy confidence plus he got skills and talent
Again, no idea how legit that tweet was. Heck maybe it was legit and he really wants to be in Toronto
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LJ2 wrote: View Post
Well I don't even know if that tweet was legit or taken out of context or what. Agreed confidence is good but if Green is basically saying he doesn't want to go to the Cavs or Houston then what if he doesn't want to be in Toronto either? That's not the type of player you want in the locker room.
Again, no idea how legit that tweet was. Heck maybe it was legit and he really wants to be in Toronto
I think his tweet was encrypted on purpose.
My guess there is a high probability that the Cavs are high on him but his agent also told him they might move that pick for the right price.
With so much uncertainty with the Cavs, can't blame him for not wanting to be drafted there.
Personally the quieter I hear from a prospect on the draft process the better it is for him and everybody involved. Last thing anybody want is another Steve Francis situation.
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Hotshot wrote: View Post
Usually an American kid who grew up in California who probably don't know lick about the city of Toronto would not pick them as his first choice.
I think his tweet was encrypted on purpose.
My guess there is a high probability that the Cavs are high on him but his agent also told him they might move that pick for the right price.
With so much uncertainty with the Cavs, can't blame him for not wanting to be drafted there.
Personally the quieter I hear from a prospect on the draft process the better it is for him and everybody involved. Last thing anybody want is another Steve Francis situation.
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The Great One wrote: View Post
What made you change your opinion on him?
I believe if suggs falls to us we will be more than fine. I like his on court attitude. That said let me focus on the two guys that I really like now. Mobley, I am still VERY high on and I still believe he can be a #2 guy and would solve A LOT of things for us. His passing, his ability to defend multiple positions and give us strong rim protection, his court vision and his ability to read the game are basically unmatched. He would raise our floor just like suggs would but ceiling wise his ability to be "the guy" may take a long time and I don't know if he can get there. That doesn't mean I am devaluing him. I honestly think he can be a top 5 center in the league and he will be one of the best centers for the modern game. Like HE IS IT. He basically will provide what ibaka and gasol both provided but in ONE player. and that is exactly what we need.
THAT SAID, if Green is able to defend (and I think its partly discipline) I don't even think you need to work on his play making a ton and you can use him off ball. I think there is a solid chance he becomes a 25 point scorer within 2 players and I don't know... I really like Greens attitude.
I heard that Mobley occasionally has bad body language and occasionally... takes plays off not ALL the time but here and there. That to me is worry some not hugely but it is worrisome. Not Jalen Johnson worrisome but still. Mobley solves 3/4 issues.. but if Green really is THAT good because I think he has that F U attitude and it factor, then you can find the right center down the line. Worst case scenario I do believe that Wiseman will always be available in a year or two if you really want to grab a center like that. Or I think you can get a lot of what mobley offers in Turner and you go for turner via trade or if its the cavs ... yeah I wouldn't mind having Jarrett Jack and Green instead of Mobley and just Mobley.
IF mobley can elevate his offensive scoring skillset (and its not bad) to a point where he can be a 20 point scorer even if he isn't the guy... then yeah obviously I think he provides more than enough other skills that he is potentially the guy.
its close
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
A number of things actually.
I believe if suggs falls to us we will be more than fine. I like his on court attitude. That said let me focus on the two guys that I really like now. Mobley, I am still VERY high on and I still believe he can be a #2 guy and would solve A LOT of things for us. His passing, his ability to defend multiple positions and give us strong rim protection, his court vision and his ability to read the game are basically unmatched. He would raise our floor just like suggs would but ceiling wise his ability to be "the guy" may take a long time and I don't know if he can get there. That doesn't mean I am devaluing him. I honestly think he can be a top 5 center in the league and he will be one of the best centers for the modern game. Like HE IS IT. He basically will provide what ibaka and gasol both provided but in ONE player. and that is exactly what we need.
THAT SAID, if Green is able to defend (and I think its partly discipline) I don't even think you need to work on his play making a ton and you can use him off ball. I think there is a solid chance he becomes a 25 point scorer within 2 players and I don't know... I really like Greens attitude.
I heard that Mobley occasionally has bad body language and occasionally... takes plays off not ALL the time but here and there. That to me is worry some not hugely but it is worrisome. Not Jalen Johnson worrisome but still. Mobley solves 3/4 issues.. but if Green really is THAT good because I think he has that F U attitude and it factor, then you can find the right center down the line. Worst case scenario I do believe that Wiseman will always be available in a year or two if you really want to grab a center like that. Or I think you can get a lot of what mobley offers in Turner and you go for turner via trade or if its the cavs ... yeah I wouldn't mind having Jarrett Jack and Green instead of Mobley and just Mobley.
IF mobley can elevate his offensive scoring skillset (and its not bad) to a point where he can be a 20 point scorer even if he isn't the guy... then yeah obviously I think he provides more than enough other skills that he is potentially the guy.
its close
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Primer wrote: View Post
Where was it reported he's falling?
That screenshot is just him saying he doesn't wanna play for Houston or Cleveland which all things considered I wouldn't want to either.
Seem like the other guys have moved up, also the Athletic have Jalen Green going 4th also..very interesting..indeed.
U know how this work boys and girls..agents and managements work there magic and they decide where everyone goes, seem like Masai is working his magic already, I just wish we can hear that he is back, come on Masai and MLSE already announce that he is back."Never apologize for coming to me. Office hours are for patients.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
THAT SAID, if Green is able to defend (and I think its partly discipline) I don't even think you need to work on his play making a ton and you can use him off ball. I think there is a solid chance he becomes a 25 point scorer within 2 players and I don't know... I really like Greens attitude.
Players like Pascal, Kawhi and Derozan were never seen as good playmakers early in their careers, but they all command double teams and have improved quite a bit as playmakers throughout the years.
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Wolstat reporting that the Raps are working out Jalen Crutcher, Marcus Zegarowski, Geo Baker, Joe Wieskamp, Balsa Koprivica, and Scottie Lewis.
Weiskamp with one of our seconds would be ridiculously good value. His stats are straight-up comparsble or better than Corey Kispert's, his wingspan is longer, he had a great performance at the combine (with a 42 inch vert!), and he's younger. Kispert has a quicker shot release - which makes them at least comparable - but Weiskamp is better at a younger age. Basically he looks like what we hoped Matt Thomas would be.Last edited by magoon; Wed Jul 7, 2021, 02:47 AM.
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After doing more research, I'm doubling down on Mobley being the clear number 2 in this draft. If he slides to 4 that would be amazing.
Green is the one guy I could see some hesitation on just straight up taking at 4 but even him I think I prefer over trading down to 5/8, for example.
​​​​If someone reaches above us and takes Kuminga or Barnes, I'm still not trading down to 5/8. Just take the best guy left (Cade, Mobley, Suggs in that order).
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A.I wrote: View Post
Green's weaknesses as a defender and playmaker are things that can be taught. Defensive talent can't be taught, but effort and looking decent in the right system and team can be. Playmaking can also be taught through film and just getting experience as a scorer and dealing with double teams.
Players like Pascal, Kawhi and Derozan were never seen as good playmakers early in their careers, but they all command double teams and have improved quite a bit as playmakers throughout the years.
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DanH wrote: View PostAfter doing more research, I'm doubling down on Mobley being the clear number 2 in this draft. If he slides to 4 that would be amazing.
Green is the one guy I could see some hesitation on just straight up taking at 4 but even him I think I prefer over trading down to 5/8, for example.
​​​​If someone reaches above us and takes Kuminga or Barnes, I'm still not trading down to 5/8. Just take the best guy left (Cade, Mobley, Suggs in that order).
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
I do think the Cavs could try and reach for kuminga or barnes and leave mobley to us.. i am having hesitation but ultimately I think he provides what we need and then some.
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magoon wrote: View PostWolstat reporting that the Raps are working out Jalen Crutcher, Marcus Zegarowski, Geo Baker, Joe Wieskamp, Balsa Koprivica, and Scottie Lewis.
Weiskamp with one of our seconds would be ridiculously good value. His stats are straight-up comparsble or better than Corey Kispert's, his wingspan is longer, he had a great performance at the combine (with a 42 inch vert!), and he's younger. Kispert has a quicker shot release - which makes them at least comparable - but Weiskamp is better at a younger age. Basically he looks like what we hoped Matt Thomas would be.
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