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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
Could you clarify this statementOnly one thing matters: We The Champs.
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big boi wrote: View Post
I thot Sabonis was the safer pick given, among other things, he dominated Poetl in their matchup. I think they must have thought Poetl had higher upside. Which was wrong.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Whole point of drafting an elite 3 level scorer was that when defense tightens up you need elite offensive creator. But if like golden is saying defense is getting phased out then that means that average offensive player will get a boost and will be easier for them to score.
Ummm again possibly but look at the graphic I posted. Even since the changes. Yes they wanted to make the game more fast pace, but I think they are going to shift things soon. They have discussed it. I still think that the players that have been suggested aren't three level scorers at a level that is good enough.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Well just because Sabonis dominated Poeltl in college doesn't mean he would play great against other players in NBA. Sabonis is short arm, tweener who is really a center but provides no rim protection. I wasn't that crazy about him. But he developed well but I still don't really like his game.
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TrueTorontoFan wrote: View Post
He was interesting but as you pointed out he was short armed and a tweener. You actually described him perfectly. I like the notion of a solid defensive center. IS MY BIAS SHOWING YET lolOnly one thing matters: We The Champs.
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Haven’t seen it come up much but what’s the appetite for trading the pick if it winds up in the 7-9 range. I guess, as always, it depends on the return. But over the last 11 drafts (2010-2020) that’s 33 players taken at that range. One game changer (Jamal Murray), 2 legitimate all stars (Hayward and Kemba)and Julius Randle. Harder to judge the more recent rookies but the rest were all good to meh to out of the league.
I think in tiers, there’s “how good the player is likely to be†then “how good the trading team thinks they will be†and then “small chance at how good he could beâ€.
Do we take advantage of the market efficiency between those first two or trust that if anyone can hit that top 1-3 out of 33, Masai will be the one to do it?
Especially with the thought that we want someone who is ready to plug into the Freddy/Pascal/OG timeline
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Jclaw wrote: View PostHaven’t seen it come up much but what’s the appetite for trading the pick if it winds up in the 7-9 range. I guess, as always, it depends on the return. But over the last 11 drafts (2010-2020) that’s 33 players taken at that range. One game changer (Jamal Murray), 2 legitimate all stars (Hayward and Kemba)and Julius Randle. Harder to judge the more recent rookies but the rest were all good to meh to out of the league.
I think in tiers, there’s “how good the player is likely to be†then “how good the trading team thinks they will be†and then “small chance at how good he could beâ€.
Do we take advantage of the market efficiency between those first two or trust that if anyone can hit that top 1-3 out of 33, Masai will be the one to do it?
Especially with the thought that we want someone who is ready to plug into the Freddy/Pascal/OG timelineOnly one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Whole point of drafting an elite 3 level scorer was that when defense tightens up you need elite offensive creator. But if like golden is saying defense is getting phased out then that means that average offensive player will get a boost and will be easier for them to score.
What I'm saying is that the rule changes (by design) are moving the game to a place where it's becoming a make-or-miss, buddy-ball type of game. It's not entirely new, actually. This happened in the era when Alex English played.... fast-pace and little defense. Just a lot more highly skilled 3-pt shooters now... especially bigs.
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golden wrote: View Post
Are you trying to say that only the scrubs take advantage of the rule changes, but the elite scorers don't? lol. I doesn't work like that, Mixx. My guess is the elite scorers are probably exploiting the rules more consistently than scrubs, but random scrubs also take advantage & go off from time-to-time.
What I'm saying is that the rule changes (by design) are moving the game to a place where it's becoming a make-or-miss, buddy-ball type of game. It's not entirely new, actually. This happened in the era when Alex English played.... fast-pace and little defense. Just a lot more highly skilled 3-pt shooters now... especially bigs.
It's nothing crazy as well. Post up bigs dissappeared as well. And more and more teams are becoming drive and kick layup and threes.Last edited by MixxAOR; Tue Jun 8, 2021, 02:30 PM.Only one thing matters: We The Champs.
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MixxAOR wrote: View Post
Who is talking about scrubs? I'm saying middling talent will have easier time to score because theres no elite defense. That's what you said? Why would only elite player benefit from rule changes? When whole league is seeing changes done?
It's nothing crazy as well. Post up bigs dissappeared as well. And more and more teams are becoming drive and kick layup and threes.
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Jclaw wrote: View PostHaven’t seen it come up much but what’s the appetite for trading the pick if it winds up in the 7-9 range. I guess, as always, it depends on the return. But over the last 11 drafts (2010-2020) that’s 33 players taken at that range. One game changer (Jamal Murray), 2 legitimate all stars (Hayward and Kemba)and Julius Randle. Harder to judge the more recent rookies but the rest were all good to meh to out of the league.
I think in tiers, there’s “how good the player is likely to be†then “how good the trading team thinks they will be†and then “small chance at how good he could beâ€.
Do we take advantage of the market efficiency between those first two or trust that if anyone can hit that top 1-3 out of 33, Masai will be the one to do it?
Especially with the thought that we want someone who is ready to plug into the Freddy/Pascal/OG timeline
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DanH wrote: View Post
I do think trading the pick becomes a possibility if we stay at 7-9 (whereas if we jump up they very likely draft and keep a guy they think is a future star). But would have to be a very good return. Like if they could get a borderline star player without losing any of the core, at a position/skillset of need, they kind of have to do it. But I suspect most teams will look at mid-late lotto picks the same way - if it's a pick you look to trade, it's probably not a pick you give up a lot for in a trade. But as with anything, depends on who is looking to sell and what the market is like for them.
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