I think Green is the one player out of the 4 where if he drops to the Raptors, Masai is going to think hard "can he play good defense?! can he play team concept ball and pass when necessary?! can he do anything positive on the floor without the ball in his hand?! I don't want a possible Larry Hughes clone, I might just go for Scottie Barnes"
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Hotshot wrote: View PostI think Green is the one player out of the 4 where if he drops to the Raptors, Masai is going to think hard "can he play good defense?! can he play team concept ball and pass when necessary?! can he do anything positive on the floor without the ball in his hand?! I don't want a possible Larry Hughes clone, I might just go for Scottie Barnes"
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When you trade for Dame you are trading for three years of Dame. The true rebuilders make little sense, it will take that long to put a good team around him.
The Raptors are an amazing destination for a star and lucky to be in their lotto position. The Warriors as well (though they have less to offer, their mid-lotto picks are worth less and they have fewer futures to offer, and less ideal salary matching pieces).
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What's the Dame trade to Toronto?
Portland: Kuzma ($13M), THT (S&T - $10M), #4 ($7M).. 2022 pick, 2023 swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap
Lakers: Lowry ($20-25M)
Raptors: Lillard
So we go into next season with:
Dame/Flynn
FVV/GTjr/Bembry
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher/#48
Birch/#47
We'll only have the mid-level.. so maybe Birch or Noel to plug in at center.. use the second round to stretch out our front court depth. Maybe bring Gillie or Watson back.
Is this a contender that can get through Philly/Milwaukee/Brooklyn?
Hard to make moves without FRP's for the next while and no cap space. Not many tradeable assets to improve either. Maybe Trent Jr will have some value. Boucher will expire at the end of the season as well.
I'm okay on passing on Dame this time around. There will be other stars.
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planetmars wrote: View PostWhat's the Dame trade to Toronto?
Portland: Kuzma ($13M), THT (S&T - $10M), #4 ($7M).. 2022 pick, 2023 swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap
Lakers: Lowry ($20-25M)
Raptors: Lillard
So we go into next season with:
Dame/Flynn
FVV/GTjr/Bembry
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher/#48
Birch/#47
We'll only have the mid-level.. so maybe Birch or Noel to plug in at center.. use the second round to stretch out our front court depth. Maybe bring Gillie or Watson back.
Is this a contender that can get through Philly/Milwaukee/Brooklyn?
Hard to make moves without FRP's for the next while and no cap space. Not many tradeable assets to improve either. Maybe Trent Jr will have some value. Boucher will expire at the end of the season as well.
I'm okay on passing on Dame this time around. There will be other stars.
More likely it's a two team deal at the draft, and then a subsequent Lowry SnT is used (if Fred is still here) to bolster an area of need (starting C?).
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A.I wrote: View Post
13 days left, fun times are ahead.
https://forums.raptorsrepublic.com/f...davis-nickname
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grindhouse wrote: View PostI was just think there is a few trades with Houston that make sense.
Siakiam
4th overall
for
Wall or wood
2nd overall
as a base trade
Wall fred OG Mobley queta or
Fred green OG wood Queta
that’s what your looking to build. Which is more scary?
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Kagemusha wrote: View Post
Lol.
He would fit on any team, especially in our Raptors.
He is what we hope Suggs would become.
Now in a hypothetical world... I would tell dame hey we will trade for you but convince him through any means possible even if its blackmail... to sit out for a year so we can get a draft pick in the lottery LOL and then go for it in 2 years.
The problem is his contract is so much... I mean now is hte time to trade for him because its 30 million and his 45 mill hasn't kicked in yet.. but that contract is going to cripple what ever team trades for him.. Luckily he will be around on that team for at least 5 more seasons because his new 5 year max hasn't kicked in... but yeah that contract is tough to swallow. Dame is good but the amount of salary and assets you have to give up to get him is NOT worth it in my honest opinion. You would be struck in treadmill land where he would maybe get you up to the 3rd seed max but youw ouldn't have much after that. it will have to take the 4th pick..... future assets in picks and 2 of OG, Siakam, and FVV to get him.
To me.. the only one that makes sense would be OG and FVV and that is TOUGH. because you give up your best defender.
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grindhouse wrote: View PostI was just think there is a few trades with Houston that make sense.
Siakiam
4th overall
for
Wall or wood
2nd overall
as a base trade
Wall fred OG Mobley queta or
Fred green OG wood Queta
that’s what your looking to build. Which is more scary?
Also if you wanted to really go down that route just say ok cavs... We will trade you Siakam and take back Loves contract and then BOOM. You have likely Suggs and Mobley together. Or Mobley and Green.
I don't think you do that though and I think we have enough assets with the #4 plus future assets. You are under selling the value of the #4
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planetmars wrote: View PostWhat's the Dame trade to Toronto?
Portland: Kuzma ($13M), THT (S&T - $10M), #4 ($7M).. 2022 pick, 2023 swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap
Lakers: Lowry ($20-25M)
Raptors: Lillard
So we go into next season with:
Dame/Flynn
FVV/GTjr/Bembry
OG/Watanabe
Pascal/Boucher/#48
Birch/#47
We'll only have the mid-level.. so maybe Birch or Noel to plug in at center.. use the second round to stretch out our front court depth. Maybe bring Gillie or Watson back.
Is this a contender that can get through Philly/Milwaukee/Brooklyn?
Hard to make moves without FRP's for the next while and no cap space. Not many tradeable assets to improve either. Maybe Trent Jr will have some value. Boucher will expire at the end of the season as well.
I'm okay on passing on Dame this time around. There will be other stars.
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Hotshot wrote: View PostI think Green is the one player out of the 4 where if he drops to the Raptors, Masai is going to think hard "can he play good defense?! can he play team concept ball and pass when necessary?! can he do anything positive on the floor without the ball in his hand?! I don't want a possible Larry Hughes clone, I might just go for Scottie Barnes"
Larry Hughes had a much better NBA career than Barnes is gonna have, and I expect Green to be quite a bit better than Hughes.
Barnes is like Ben Simmons but worse at everything. Not nearly as good of a scorer (which should emphasize just how bad Barnes is offensively), not good at all at rebounding (Simmons is a good rebounder Barnes sucks at it), not as good of a passer, and worse on defense. I for the life of me do not get the infatuation with Barnes. He will be a defensive specialist journeyman in my opinion.
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